Request for comment: Collapse of the U. S. A.

[Frankito]

Disputable, please re-quote me on point 1.

On point 2, hilarious on many different levels; I would love to know where you get your data from that allows you such omnipotent wisdom.. Go and do some basic study on the markets and then come back and talk me through that again.

[Undisputedtruth]

I've been following the financial markets from 19 years ago and am more than happy to challenge you.

Sources of my information.

1) Indices charts over a fifteen year period.

2) CNBC and FT.

[Frankito]

You don't need to challenge me on anything as my opinions are perfectly rounded and based on both experience and observation from both sides of the fence; it sounds like you need to challenge yourself to some unbiased financial education beyond what you read in the tabloids as it's a massive spectrum and, only once you appreciate that and all it's different layers, then we should talk again.

Unlike some others, I am not on here to preach however, when I read so much unsubstantiated tosh, I just can't resist dipping my toes in.. I could go on and on and on but I have said my piece and hopefully planted the seed for someone somewhere to perhaps question some of what they read or, at least look at an issue from more than one vantage point.

[iamhere]

Frank Myles

I must admit, that your style of speaking (on this forum at least) is provocative -(one can be rude at the keyboard of a PC) - are you like this face-to-face with new aquaintances? - this I am.

It really muddies the water when deviating from the meaningful content of a discussion, by loading the discussion with rude discourteous speech - does it not? - it dilutes meaningful discussion - I just cannot see the point in doing this here - this subject is not funny.

If I new you, I could judge things much better - I would better know if you were being serious, joking and jibing etc, etc - however, I donot know you - and is this discussion not a 'serious' one? - the results of careless banking and corrupt governing is literally destroying lives - please try to see this - it's a painful picture is it not?

I am new to this forum - so far I have been sworn at - been ridiculed and the like.

Are you full of pride and ego? - your words are harmful and perhaps you donot realise this?

I only expect more riducule from you - and this is not reverse psychology I am trying. I expect bankers to take their actions and speech seriously - so much damage can be done by flippant actions.

Peace.

Thx.

[LadyDeliah]

iamhere, I don't think it's good to expose a person's full name on here. It seems wrong and I'm not sure about Frankito's opinion on this, but I think you should remove it unless you have his permission to expose him in that way.

[maxxi]

iamhere...

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You joined this forum almost a whole year before I did and a full 14 months before Frankie.

You first posted way back in Feb 2010 so stop trying it on.

If you have been a member this long I would have thought you'd be used to the robust style of debate that sometimes ensues and have something to say you would find a way to do so without calling foul any time somebody is 'rude' to you.

As for muddying the water this thread is as clear as pea soup to me with ingredients being thrown in by anyone who happens across an obscure stat/quote and thinks they can crowbar it in to support whatever argument they imagine they are supporting and then demanding that others prove their tosh is wrong "Go on, prove it. See! You can't, so I'm right!".

All this is acceptable if sometimes irritating (as I also frequently am - not least when torturing grammar) because it's a forum not an ecclesiastical college.

Double peace.

[iamhere]

let me clarify - please take a look at my previous posts on this forum - it was long ago and I have not been on here ever since, so don't until now, have first hand experience of being part of a debate on here. I would not have, until now, passed comment on the things that I have been referring to around rudeness of speech.

I am sorry that you have made a presumption about me and my knowledge of this site - it was not my intention to hoodwink.

Thx.

[iamhere]

Hello Ladydeliah,

I have not exposed anybodies real identity actually - if you click on the users id name - the person, should they wish to be known, has entered their name - such is the case here.

Thx.

[LadyDeliah]

Ok, I apologise, I hadn't checked. It just seemed a bit strange.

[New Nexus]

Frankito Wrote:

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> You don't need to challenge me on anything as my

> opinions are perfectly rounded and based on both

> experience and observation from both sides of the

> fence; it sounds like you need to challenge

> yourself to some unbiased financial education

> beyond what you read in the tabloids as it's a

> massive spectrum and, only once you appreciate

> that and all it's different layers, then we should

> talk again.

>

> Unlike some others, I am not on here to preach

> however, when I read so much unsubstantiated tosh,

> I just can't resist dipping my toes in.. I could

> go on and on and on but I have said my piece and

> hopefully planted the seed for someone somewhere

> to perhaps question some of what they read or, at

> least look at an issue from more than one vantage

> point.

And there in lies the truth - a fraudster pronouncing greater knowledge than all others.

Sir, you are part of a lying, cheating, morally corrupt industry, that is and will carryon ripping society apart.

You have quite clearly nailed your colors to the mast - your colors being greed and your mast being, selfish self-interest at all cost.

Your truth be damned replies, are full of condescension of Sun reading, tabloid junk informed plebs and shows your contempt for all views, other than your own.

You could become a snake oil salesman, after the collapse.

Different family same attitude:

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."

[maxxi]

iamhere Wrote:

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> let me clarify - please take a look at my previous

> posts on this forum - it was long ago and I have

> not been on here ever since, so don't until now,

> have first hand experience of being part of a

> debate on here. I would not have, until now,

> passed comment on the things that I have been

> referring to around rudeness of speech.

>

> I am sorry that you have made a presumption about

> me and my knowledge of this site - it was not my

> intention to hoodwink.

>

> Thx.

Thankyou for the clarification - I am aware of your position and was merely correcting your untrue statement about being new. One can go months without posting but it doesn't prevent one from reading (lurking).

As for presumptions I'm afraid I make them all the time until and unless corrected - it is a fault but something bound to happen when 'conversing' with pseudonyms 'is it not?'

Another presumption that has sprung to mind is that your delivery smacks of the ecclesiastical and if that is untrue I will stand corrected again. No offence intended. This is, after all, only chatter is it not?

[Undisputedtruth]

Frankito Wrote:

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> You don't need to challenge me on anything as my

> opinions are perfectly rounded and based on both

> experience and observation from both sides of the

> fence; it sounds like you need to challenge

> yourself to some unbiased financial education

> beyond what you read in the tabloids as it's a

> massive spectrum and, only once you appreciate

> that and all it's different layers, then we should

> talk again.

>

> Unlike some others, I am not on here to preach

> however, when I read so much unsubstantiated tosh,

> I just can't resist dipping my toes in.. I could

> go on and on and on but I have said my piece and

> hopefully planted the seed for someone somewhere

> to perhaps question some of what they read or, at

> least look at an issue from more than one vantage

> point.

I wouldn't class FT or CNBC as bias and nor are they tabloids. Also, indices charts are based on real data supplied by financial institutions.

While I can accept you work in the banking sector, I am not so sure you have any real understanding about the financial markets or the credit crunch issues. For all I know you could be the office tea boy.

[Frankito]

Undisputed, you got me there, fess up time, yes, I clean windows in the City.. Miss or Mr Marple? Bravo!! What I actually do is really not up for discussion but I would happily forward you my CV if you think it would help.. Reading the FT and listening to CNBC does not make you an expert in anything; my point was, enough already of the armchair expert stuff and go do some real research. If that is factually inaccurate then pray tell, your retorts haven't given me much to work on.

And Iamhere, ooooh, I have been exposed...? Do I care? Yes, loads.... It is a bit bizarre that you would address me by my full name in any case but, I guess that's your issue rather than mine. It would be great to know your name too...

Oh and little Nexi, you got me too.. Yes a real fraudster I am indeed.. Claiming to know more than the rest of the planet, you do entertain me with your waff, don't ever change. You should write birthday cards for a living as your one-liners are borderline genius. Snake oil salesman eh, could we be talking biblical now...?

[New Nexus]

Snake oil salesman

http://www.instituteofsocialsurvivalism.org/Main/OTS_Archives/2011/Week_26_Videos/Meet_William_Rockefeller_Snake_Oil_Salesman.htm

Given your lack of knowledge regarding snake oil and the Rockefeller dynasty ? I do believe it would be best for all, if you did take up a trade in window cleaning.

[Frankito]

I think you need a Franki-hug!

[iamhere]

@Frankito: This is not an attack - not my intention: But your response appears to be in the form of an attack - it's this kind of response that does not help anything at all - your ego? appears to be inflated? and undermines your argument here - I cannot take you seriously as long as you are going to talk from a synthetic place. Please try and talk like a good normal human being and stop putting everyone down on here - it wont make you look, weak.

Thx.

[Undisputedtruth]

@iamhere,

I can't take Frankito seriously either.

@Frankito,

Lots of traders tend to watch either Bloomberg and/or CNBC. They also uses market indices. Hardly armchair research tools, Frankito.

[iamhere]

@undisputedtruth:

I want to be able to take everyone seriously on here, when a serious discussion is taking place about a serious subject.

This often seen cocky way of communicating is so self serving and unhelpful to the discussion - its not about the individual its about our futures in this particular case!

We all deserve being treated respectfully and need to set the example.

@frankito - I hope you return and are able to speak with more humility.

Thx.

[Frankito]

Iamhere, errr, I am not the weak one here. I am not arguing with anyone and my ego is perfectly matched to my rather stunning exterior. Don't be afraid when someone chooses to disagree with you, it's ok, really. I am not trying to win you over.... So couldn't care less if you take me seriously or not. I am not on here to make friends, I have more than enough already, but thanks for asking anyway..

And undisputed truth, yes I guess there are traders out there who watch eirher but I am sure they probably use BBG more than they watch it and probably don't rely exclusively on it to make informed financial decisions. I do like the fact that you are talking more at ground level rather than flying at 50,000ft like your side-kick, Nexi.

Next?

[Frankito]

Seriously, you are cracking me up with your comments!

What are you...? >:D @undisputedtruth:

>

> I want to be able to take everyone seriously on

> here, when a serious discussion is taking place

> about a serious subject.

>

> This often seen cocky way of communicating is so

> self serving and unhelpful to the discussion - its

> not about the individual its about our futures in

> this particular case!

>

> We all deserve being treated respectfully and need

> to set the example.

>

> @frankito - I hope you return and are able to

> speak with more humility.

>

> Thx.

[Undisputedtruth]

@Frankito,

Why would you be guessing that traders do watch Bloomberg/CNBC if you claiming to know so much? Some traders exclusively uses charts to trade while others uses a mixture of fundamental and technical analysis.

Wrong again Frankito, I'm afraid NN isn't my side kick either.

[New Nexus]

Frankito?s brave new world.

http://www.instituteofsocialsurvivalism.org/Main/What_is_Social_Survivalism_files/babycorporatejpeg_Clean.jpg

[Frankito]

Errr, I am not the one who mentioned it in the first place. When have I ever claimed to know so much? Never....! The fact you haven't invested (no pun) much time in appreciating that, instead relying on random assumptions does make me question the general validity of your depth of knowledge.. Did you apply the same caveman techniques when you wete sitting in your armchair flipping between Bloomberg TV and CNBC...?

And for the record, I manage several Middle Office Trade Support teams across a variety of products and it's my part of my job to know what they do... I haven't met any yet who rely exclusively on 'charts'. Is that techy talk for something new.

Anyway, my little pirhanas, we can drag this one into next week if you want, I will happily bore you to death with what I do for a living but but not sure I have the enthusiasm. My stamp collection awaits me....

[Frankito]

Nexi, you appear to have missed off the Waitrose, otherwise, brilliant!

[Undisputedtruth]

@iamhere,

While I accept you want to learn more about the financial crisis, it is unlikely you would learn anything from Frankito as he's trying to make out that Bankers are responsible, hard working people. Clearly they're not otherwise we wouldn't have such a national financial mess that would take several decades to clear. Will we ever see the good times in our lifetime?

Once I have finished exposing a few people on this site for their lack of knowledge I'll be happy to direct you to reputable sources to learn more about the issues at stake. I have followed the financial crisis since June 2007 so I'll be happy to impart my knowledge at some point.