Diversity

[TheCat]

So, the new leader of the Women's Equality Party makes the claim that their candidate list is the MOST DIVERSE of all political parties....how can they say this with a straight face when there isn't one candidate representative of half the population?

I understand their reason for being, and don't doubt they do good work raising awareness of issues that affect women. But, we are constantly being told that more diverse workplaces, politics etc etc will make us more successful and more productive due to the kaleidescope of different experiences and ideas it brings.....sounds great...funny though that diversity in membership,management team and candidates selection is clearly not really that important for a party that like to claim it as one of their key goals....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/27/mandu-reid-womens-equality-party-first-black-leader-proud-daunted

[cella]

Why so negative and not supportive - depressing. I was always taught to look at the person saying stuff and ask why they are saying it and it's stood me in good stead. There are so many bigger issues to be rightly concerned about and it's always tedious when anything women do for themselves is criticised in this way.

[TheCat]

So I criticise this party on one specific issue, and that must make me 'not supportive' of women and women's issues?

Are women 'doing things for themselves' immune from any criticism of their actions? This is often the case with many campaign groups, that they shutdown any debate or opportunity to appeal to a broader audience by painting any criticism or disagreement as being anti-whatever the group stands for. (In this case anti-women)

The only depressing thing here is the predictability of your response.

[cella]

They are not a campaign group but a political party. Your whole tone is patronising and critical - why not be helpful and supportive if you genuinely care rather than nitpick.

[TheCat]

Not a campaign group, but a political party...haha...look who's 'nit-picking' now....

In anycase, you've managed to build your strawman about my support or other wise of women's equality issues, and have totally ignored the specific issue I raised, likely because you've no decent response....happy to hear otherwise if you've something to add on the actual issue I raised...

[cella]

Nah - you're not worth investing in - just a stirrer. The much missed RendelHarris had your number all right and made mincemeat of you.

[TheCat]

Have had many good conversations with rendell on this forum, on topics we agreed and disagreed on. I don't in anyway recall ever being made into 'mincemeat'.... But, in anycase, you could take a leaf out of rendel's book, and learn how to actually have a discussion/debate with someone who might disagree with you with or see something differently from you.

Nah...you'd prefer to just sit in your echochamber I guess....and when someone raises an issue which is inconvenient for one of your preconceived beliefs, you can then not even make an attempt to address/discuss the issue, just brand them a 'stirrer' and claim they're 'not worth investing in' because it masks the truth that you actually have nothing of any substance to add to the discussion.

[seenbeen]

the headline is very off-putting and reminds me of Diane Abbott

[cella]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Have had many good conversations with rendell on

> this forum, on topics we agreed and disagreed on.

> I don't in anyway recall ever being made into

> 'mincemeat'.... But, in anycase, you could take a

> leaf out of rendel's book, and learn how to

> actually have a discussion/debate with someone who

> might disagree with you with or see something

> differently from you.

>

> Nah...you'd prefer to just sit in your echochamber

> I guess....and when someone raises an issue which

> is inconvenient for one of your preconceived

> beliefs, you can then not even make an attempt to

> address/discuss the issue, just brand them a

> 'stirrer' and claim they're 'not worth investing

> in' because it masks the truth that you actually

> have nothing of any substance to add to the

> discussion.

Nope - you're not helping.

[malumbu]

What's all this sycophancy towards Rendel? Fight your own battles. And if others are being RRRSss it's obvious for others to see.

[TheCat]

cella Wrote:

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> TheCat Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Have had many good conversations with rendell

> on

> > this forum, on topics we agreed and disagreed

> on.

> > I don't in anyway recall ever being made into

> > 'mincemeat'.... But, in anycase, you could take

> a

> > leaf out of rendel's book, and learn how to

> > actually have a discussion/debate with someone

> who

> > might disagree with you with or see something

> > differently from you.

> >

> > Nah...you'd prefer to just sit in your

> echochamber

> > I guess....and when someone raises an issue

> which

> > is inconvenient for one of your preconceived

> > beliefs, you can then not even make an attempt

> to

> > address/discuss the issue, just brand them a

> > 'stirrer' and claim they're 'not worth

> investing

> > in' because it masks the truth that you

> actually

> > have nothing of any substance to add to the

> > discussion.

>

>

> Nope - you're not helping

A quick look at your posting history is informative. You make a habit of having a dig at people, while not have anything useful to say, then often make cryptic/irrelevant remarks when called out on it and recently (as malumbu notes) have made constant references to rendelharris' posts rather than actually making an argument yourself.

Well, played. It's you who are actually the 'stirrer'. I'm sure you'll again find some dismissive comment to reply to this post without actually engaging with the content. Perhaps commission rendelharris on contract to do all your thinking for you, since you're such a big fan.

[cella]

Again no. A quick look at your posting history shows that you have a habit of starting threads to stir up confrontation which you then back away from when others on here expose you. I used Rendelharris as an example of someone who was adept at sussing these things out and providing a robust defence to support his counter arguments.

[cella]

malumbu Wrote:

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> What's all this sycophancy towards Rendel? Fight

> your own battles. And if others are being RRRSss

> it's obvious for others to see.

Well you should know. Won't even bother with this as per.

[TheCat]

cella Wrote:

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> Again no. A quick look at your posting history

> shows that you have a habit of starting threads to

> stir up confrontation which you then back away

> from when others on here expose you. I used

> Rendelharris as an example of someone who was

> adept at sussing these things out and providing a

> robust defence to support his counter arguments.

Honestly cella....you have to actually MAKE a counter argument for me to even attempt to defend my original post....

But as per most of your responses when called out...you 'won't even bother as per' your normal modus ooperandi

Anyway, you successfully managed to hijack this thread and draw me into a meaningless tit for tat. So if you have something on the OP topic to add, then I'll respond. Otherwise best to just leave it

[cella]

TheCat Wrote:

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> cella Wrote:

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> > Again no. A quick look at your posting history

> > shows that you have a habit of starting threads

> to

> > stir up confrontation which you then back away

> > from when others on here expose you. I used

> > Rendelharris as an example of someone who was

> > adept at sussing these things out and providing

> a

> > robust defence to support his counter

> arguments.

>

> Honestly cella....you have to actually MAKE a

> counter argument for me to even attempt to defend

> my original post....

>

> But as per most of your responses when called

> out...you 'won't even bother as per' your normal

> modus ooperandi

>

> Anyway, you successfully managed to hijack this

> thread and draw me into a meaningless tit for tat.

> So if you have something on the OP topic to add,

> then I'll respond. Otherwise best to just leave it

Actually, no I don't have to make a counter argument to your critical thread. I am allowed to criticise your criticism of women's issues. I have and I'm done.

[Captain Marvel]

That went well

[cella]

I thought so.

[teddyboy23]

You sound like a hate filled person trying to past off hate as criticism awful

[TheCat]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> You sound like a hate filled person trying to past

> off hate as criticism awful

I assume that's directed at me? If not...then please ignore what follows:)

If it is.... all I can say is WOW!..this sort of attitude is what contributes to so much division in society. Again, I criticise 1 statement by 1 leader of 1 political party which I personally found hypocritical and inconsistent. And suddenly I'm filled with 'hate'?

As I've said above, if supporters any progressive movement dismiss all or any criticism of specific aspects or players in that movement as representative of 'hate'...then we're all f#cked.... Becuase no one will ever listen to anyone else...and we never move forward.

[teddyboy23]

Cat its not directed at you .its for my mate cella .she had a pop at me on the brexit thread with a Simula post

[TheCat]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> Cat its not directed at you .its for my mate cella

> .

My Apols then teddy. I don't know if it's hate, but Cella certainly seems to be full of something....

[cella]

For the last time TheCat stop criticising women and adopt a more positive outlook. I'm not feeding your habit after this.

[cella]

teddyboy23 Wrote:

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> Cat its not directed at you .its for my mate cella

> .she had a pop at me on the brexit thread with a

> Simula post

You just need get a life or maybe learn to spell.

[TheCat]

cella Wrote:

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> For the last time TheCat stop criticising women

> and adopt a more positive outlook. I'm not feeding

> your habit after this.

HaHa...brilliant, now I know for sure that you are just a wind-up merchant.

I criticise 1 statement by 1 woman (well, i've criticised you as well, so if you're a woman, that makes two women i've criticized in this thread)...and that means I need to 'stop criticising women and adopt a more positive outlook'

Okay, sure. Well, I'm an immigrant, and you have criticised me. So Cella, for the last time, you really need to stop criticising immigrants and adopt a more positive outlook. Your anti-immigrant agenda is harmful and unproductive.

see...we can all play this ridiculous game:)

[KalamityKel]

I'm still waiting to see what cella's point is... :)