EU Trade Talks Thread

[KidKruger]

It?s only same old groove because you?re fed up with it.

It seems a little autocratic to seriously (I assume you are ?) demand people stop complaining about a cause or injustice they believe in.

The calendar has nothing to do with it, surely.

Should climate campaigners, BLM, peace protesters all stop because one or more people are tired of them ?

Anyway, I hope you are right and Brexit is a resounding success, which would also be a relief to all the people who you believe should stop complaining.

Trinnydad Wrote:

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> Sephiroth Wrote:

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> > just making general points - nothing

> specifically

> > about the deal

>

> Let's hope Remainers consider becoming un-stuck

> from the same old groove. It's like an old cracked

> 78rpm. Stuck in the same negative conversation

> since 2016 propagating "economic doom and gloom"

> theories based on fear.

>

>

> It's now a new situation. The positive thinkers

> will grasp the opportunities and thrive.

>

> "Project Fear" is dead. Get over it.

[diable rouge]

Trinnydad Wrote:

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> One such example was

> allocating the printing of UK passports which had

> to go out to EU wide tender.

Ok, hands up who wants to tell him first...:)

[KidKruger]

So I guess the Labour Party should give up because they lost the election, lol.

I wonder if the reasons ?Remainers? are expected to STFU is because they?re a harsh reminder of the stupidity of the whole exercise and how easily hoodwinked a huge swathe of people were. Sounds like a good reason to continue moaning, otherwise we?ll never progress as a country if we ignore things which damage us. On the other hand though, I guess I?d be feeling pretty embarrassed now too if I?d voted leave.

[Sephiroth]

So Japanese car makers are going to open up factories in U.K. because now it?s more expensive to sell those cars to eu market? Ok, sure

Freeport?s aren?t banned in eu. U.K. had them for a while in eu. They don?t provide much benefit tho

Ireland does sweet tax deals doesnt it? And they are... remind me... in or out of the eu?

?Why give jobs to the Germans??

Deranged xenophobic rantings

[diable rouge]

Trinnydad Wrote:

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> One opportunity to consider is making a deal with

> Hyundai, Kia and Toyota to set up factories that

> use 100% LOCAL CONTENT and so reduce the volume of

> VWs BMWs and Mercedes that have no UK content. Why

> give jobs to the Germans?

Why indeed, or to the French. Perhaps we should ask Brexit-backing billionaire Jim Ratcliffe, you know, the one who recently announced he's moving his car production operation from Wales to the EU...https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-billionaire-jim-ratcliffe-ineos-grenadier-france-not-wales-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

#projectdreamon

[Trinnydad]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Trinnydad Wrote:

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> > One opportunity to consider is making a deal

> with

> > Hyundai, Kia and Toyota to set up factories

> that

> > use 100% LOCAL CONTENT and so reduce the volume

> of

> > VWs BMWs and Mercedes that have no UK content.

> Why

> > give jobs to the Germans?

>

>

> Why indeed, or to the French. Perhaps we should

> ask Brexit-backing billionaire Jim Ratcliffe, you

> know, the one who recently announced he's moving

> his car production operation from Wales to the

> EU...https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-billio

> naire-jim-ratcliffe-ineos-grenadier-france-not-wal

> es-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

> #projectdreamon

Ratcliffe's plan is an indulgent vanity project, miniscule in scale and unlikely ever to succeed. He touted it around to pick up government subsidies and didnt get any here.

The genuine LR Defender was being produced at the very modest rate of around 13,000 pa. Compare this to the UK vehicle volume of around 1.5 million pa.

Lot of similarities with De Lorean who prised out millions in funding from UK Gov to build a factory in Northern Ireland. They built around 10,000 over 2 years.

Much in common with James Dyson's car project that was killed off before production started.

[Blah Blah]

I think it is important to bear in mind that the deal is by no means a full and comprehensive one (services are not included for example) and that negotiations will likely continue for years to arrive at that type of deal. Fishing seems to be s can that has been kicked down the road, just far enough to not possibly be Johnson's issue to fix. We no doubt will be bombarded with details and viewpoints over the coming days as MPs and others read the details. The spin can not be true on both sides, although perceptions matter in this.

The good part is that a cliff edge is avoided, and the avoidance of tariffs really is important for the the British businesses and jobs that depend on those exports. That for me was always the first and foremost need of this agreement, to avoid those considerable costs. And that works too for us as consumers. The administration of new paperwork and borders procedures remains an additional burden, but is something that should settle down one once everyone is clear about what they need to do. The provision of adequate border staff and other resources to efficiently manage that, is down to government, and they need to pay attention to that.

The question will be over the coming days, one of whether leave voters feel sufficiently divorced from the Single Market, and whether remain voters feel sufficiently reassured. Instinct tells me that one or the other, or both, are not going to be as happy as Boris was when he announced the deal is done. Everything promised was never deliverable, but has Boris delivered enough of it while conceding enough on other things, to find that middle ground consensus that renders the hardcore fringes irrelevant? That is what we shall see soon enough.

[JohnL]

EU has a surplus in Goods - those are now covered by the deal

UK has a surplus in Services - Services have no deal.

[malumbu]

A plea to most on the forum, can we refer to the PM as that - PM, Prime Minister, Prime Minister Johnson, Johnson.

Not by his Christian name, that suggest affection, or at least some sort of lovable clown. Oh Boris would do that wouldn't he, tee hee, oh another promise gone.

I know it's hard but that 'lovable rogue' probably added a few percent to his vote during the general election and continues to mask his lack of gravitas and integrity.

[nxjen]

But Boris is such a suitable name for a clown

[KidKruger]

No need for forum-Gestapoism, as long as people aren?t being too derogatory let them use the phrases and sentences they choose to use ?

I?m not sure you should get to choose for them malumbu !

malumbu Wrote:

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> A plea to most on the forum, can we refer to the

> PM as that - PM, Prime Minister, Prime Minister

> Johnson, Johnson.

>

> Not by his Christian name, that suggest affection,

> or at least some sort of lovable clown. Oh Boris

> would do that wouldn't he, tee hee, oh another

> promise gone.

>

> I know it's hard but that 'lovable rogue' probably

> added a few percent to his vote during the general

> election and continues to mask his lack of

> gravitas and integrity.

[TheCat]

My pronouns are Boris/Bo-Jo....

[JohnL]

Pritti Patel apparently has asked a civil service team to investigate bring in death penalty.

[SpringTime]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Pritti Patel apparently has asked a civil service

> team to investigate bring in death penalty.

Slum landlords like Priti herself qualify for the noose every time John.

[TheCat]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> > Pritti Patel apparently has asked a civil

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> Slum landlords like Priti herself qualify for the

> noose every time John.

Perhaps dial back the hyperbole hey? No matter your political persuasions, I don't believe there's ever a call for such low ball commentary.

[Trinnydad]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Pritti Patel apparently has asked a civil service

> team to investigate bring in death penalty.

Can you provide a credible source for your assertion?

[Trinnydad]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> Slum landlords like Priti herself qualify for the

> noose every time John.

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[malumbu]

KK it was a plea not an instruction. There are those that consider that the Prime Minister became more popular when he was on Have I got News for You because of his persona. Addressing him by his first name as if he was a mate just furthers that. Why don't you discuss my points rather than act as a gestapo officer yourself. Here's an article I've just found from last year about use of his name. Go on read it and share your views. https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/we-should-stop-calling-boris-johnson-by-his-first-name-only-1.3960399

Death penalty? I wouldn't put this past the Home Sec. Let's see on that one.

[Blah Blah]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Pritti Patel apparently has asked a civil service

> team to investigate bring in death penalty.

Even if this is true, she would never get it through Parliament or the Lords.

[Sephiroth]

? Even if this is true, she would never get it through Parliament or the Lords.?

You really think this BB? After last few years, I?d say anything is possible on this island

[TheCat]

Questio,....is there ANYTHING that the remainers on here see as POTENTIALLY positive going forward?

[Sephiroth]

Given the cost? Not really, no

[Sephiroth]

Actually, given the cost, AND the fact that U.K. governments appear to favour policies which are self defeating anyway. After 10 years of austerity and to turn around in shock and go ?the STATE of this country. Who can we blame??

So being outside the eu is harmful. But combined with inept and deceitful governments, it?s bad news all the way I?m afraid

[Blah Blah]

Maybe try and answer your own question TheCat? Because that I think ties in with the inability of many leavers to cite the tangible gains of Brexit.

We are heading for a difficult period economically speaking and at a time when division is stark and is still being fanned by opportunists and populists. Until the sneering stops, and there is a genuine effort by any government to level up, very little will change for the better.

Even the EU deal, which at first sight brought relief and seemed like the cliff edge had been avoided, is up for review in just four years time. This offers no certainty to business and will suppress and stall the very investment that is going to be needed to get the economy out of austerity mark 2. Even on immigration, which was a major issue for many who voted leave,Brexit isn't going stop illegal migrants crossing the channel in dinghies. Only now, we are no longer part of the Dublin Agreement and will no longer be able to send those who already applied for asylum in another EU country, back to that country.

At the end of the day, the woes that many people genuinely feel , the disenfranchisement, lack of upward social mobility etc etc, were never things caused by membership of the EU. In taking back control, we have simply given more power to the very people who decide the policies that lead to all those genuine woes that people feel. Hard to be optimistic about any of that.

[Sephiroth]

And once again, U.K. countries with large populations of voters with grievances (Scotland and Northern Ireland) were clear-sighted about why they are suffering, know it isn?t the eu and voted accordingly.

Meanwhile the blockages golf club bores id the Home Counties continue to chuckle and bemoan the eu

This was never about the ?left behinds? and their needs will not be addressed by this government