Jump to content

"I'd rather be ruled by a bunch of capitalists than a bunch of bureaucrats" Discuss


Recommended Posts

Many moons ago in the bourgoeis radicalism of my student common room I remember my contemperaries and I discussing the virtues of socialism when, Mark, the son of a plumber from Woking, came out with this. Struck me then, still does nowadays. I'm more scared of big states than big business by miles.

I don't really understand the differentiation?


A successful big business in its prime is indistinguishable from a totalitarian state - with centralised economic control, personality cults, workforce regimentation, control of media and so on.


A big business past its prime is indistinguishable from a bureaucracy - with factionalisation, productivity issues, poor internal communication and all the rest that goes with it.


Most states function on a dynamic equilibrium between the social and corporate elements.


It's notable that in some contexts if the social safety net of the 'state' is taken away, effective companies may take on the role of providing a conducive working environment - for example at Cadbury's, Bourneville, pensions, education and healthcare came part and parcel with the corporate offering.


This seems more likely to take place in companies that have a long term vision - executives with short term objectives are more likely to asset strip today's infrastructure to generate immediate cash returns at the cost of long term growth.


It wasn't democratic though, it was more of a Platonic construct.


I guess there isn't any particular evidence that Democracies are the most effective form of government.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • The current wave of xenophobia is due to powerful/influential people stirring up hatred.  It;'s what happened in the past, think 1930s Germany.  It seems to be even easier now as so many get their information from social media, whether it is right or wrong.  The media seeking so called balance will bring some nutter on, they don't then bring a nutter on to counteract that. They now seem to turn to Reform at the first opportunity. So your life is 'shite', let;s blame someone else.  Whilst sounding a bit like a Tory, taking some ownership/personal responsibility would be a start.  There are some situations where that may be more challenging, in deindustrialised 'left behind' wasteland we can't all get on our bikes and find work.  But I loathe how it is now popular to blame those of us from relatively modest backgrounds, like me, who did see education and knowledge as a way to self improve. Now we are seen by some as smug liberals......  
    • Kwik Fit buggered up an A/C leak diagnosis for me (saying there wasn't one, when there was) and sold a regas. The vehicle had to be taken to an A/C specialist for condensor replacement and a further regas. Not impressed.
    • Yes, these are all good points. I agree with you, that division has led us down dangerous paths in the past. And I deplore any kind of racism (as I think you probably know).  But I feel that a lot of the current wave of xenophobia we're witnessing is actually more about a general malaise and discontent. I know non-white people around here who are surprisingly vocal about immigrants - legal or otherwise. I think this feeling transcends skin colour for a lot of people and isn't as simple as, say, the Jew hatred of the 1930s or the Irish and Black racism that we saw laterally. I think people feel ignored and looked down upon.  What you don't realise, Sephiroth, is that I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. I just think that looking down on people because of their voting history and opinions is self-defeating. And that's where Labour's getting it wrong and Reform is reaping the rewards.   
    • @Sephiroth you made some interesting points on the economy, on the Lammy thread. Thought it worth broadening the discussion. Reeves (irrespective of her financial competence) clearly was too downbeat on things when Labour came into power. But could there have been more honesty on the liklihood of taxes going up (which they have done, and will do in any case due to the freezing of personal allowances).  It may have been a silly commitment not to do this, but were you damned if you do and damned if you don't?
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...