Tighter restrictions/ second national lockdown aka circuit breaker?

[Sephiroth]

although I would say "unnecessary" is suggestive of an unpleasant malady that will pass

I still don't think most people have reckoned with the interruption, damage and uncertainty to come

[uncleglen]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Exactly BB, it's the predictability of Brexit that

> makes it more unique than all those events cited

> above. Life, as well as politics, is full of ifs,

> buts, maybes, and sliding doors moments, but from

> the beginning Brexit was always a right-wing,

> nationalist, power grab project, so no one should

> be surprised we've ended up with a right-wing,

> nationalist, power grab Gov...

Pig-ignorance of what is/was going on in the rest of the country as usual...stupid ignorant lefty opinionated blinkered twats who are too tight to pay the going rate for building work etc and just sit back in their ?1 million terraced houses and are totally unaffected by what is going on in poorer areas .

What was the point of giving loads of money to those unelected fools in Brussels with their ?120 bottles of wine and then THEM telling US how to spend the money they so 'kindly' give back to us. All our infrastructure has been fiddled with by the Brussels morons in some sort of division of assets across the Eurozone and the UK lost out BIG TIME.

Since being in or out of the EU does not affect you whingeing morons you should shut up!

In the words of Anne Widdecombe- 'We're Off!'

[Sephiroth]

Remainers get a lot of stick for being out of touch

But how can anyone read UG and think ?he has a point yknow??

[malumbu]

I'll summarise that (Brexit) in one word. Unnecessary.

[KidKruger]

?1 million homes ?

Oh I see, you're aiming that comment at the little people.

A mere ?1 million is basically a flat in East Dulwich nowadays, isn't it ?

Out of interest UG, what's your perceived value of your house ?

Presumably about 89p, the way you seem to have a grudge against those with only ?1 million.

(accidentally sent the above as a PM. Sorry UG, was meant for all, not yours alone)

uncleglen Wrote:

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> diable rouge Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Exactly BB, it's the predictability of Brexit

> that

> > makes it more unique than all those events

> cited

> > above. Life, as well as politics, is full of

> ifs,

> > buts, maybes, and sliding doors moments, but

> from

> > the beginning Brexit was always a right-wing,

> > nationalist, power grab project, so no one

> should

> > be surprised we've ended up with a right-wing,

> > nationalist, power grab Gov...

>

> Pig-ignorance of what is/was going on in the rest

> of the country as usual...stupid ignorant lefty

> opinionated blinkered @#$%& who are too tight to

> pay the going rate for building work etc and just

> sit back in their ?1 million terraced houses and

> are totally unaffected by what is going on in

> poorer areas .

> What was the point of giving loads of money to

> those unelected fools in Brussels with their ?120

> bottles of wine and then THEM telling US how to

> spend the money they so 'kindly' give back to us.

> All our infrastructure has been fiddled with by

> the Brussels morons in some sort of division of

> assets across the Eurozone and the UK lost out BIG

> TIME.

> Since being in or out of the EU does not affect

> you whingeing morons you should shut up!

> In the words of Anne Widdecombe- 'We're Off!'

[malumbu]

Back to the original post. It's not getting any better. How much longer before further restrictions? Was a two or three week pause starting at half term a missed opportunity. Let's talk Brexit elsewhere.

[JohnL]

Wales (The Senedd) has mandated that no supermarket can sell non-essential items during the firebreak lockdown.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54662795

[BrandNewGuy]

malumbu Wrote:

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> 2. If there had been no Falklands War there would

> be no Thatcher in 1983 and we would have had the

> experiment of the third way (the SDP)

Interesting list of 'what ifs' but this is one of those truisms that turns out not to be true. A few years ago I looked through detailed polling and voting info from Ipsos MORI for 1981-83 and here's the summary:

1. Labour were not miles ahead in the polls before the Falklands War broke out in April '82. In early '81, at the depths of the recession, they were at least 10% ahead in the polls, but by Dec '81-Feb '82 (two months before the War started), the lead was down to between 0 and 3% and their average poll rating was 31% - barely 3% more than their eventual showing in the '83 general election and less than the 33-36% they were polling from October '82 to Feb '83.

2. The 'Falklands factor' theory ignores the huge impact of the SDP / Alliance on the years from '81 to '83. Between November '81 and the outbreak of the war, the combined Alliance polling was between 30 and 44%, but after this honeymoon period it was the Tories who benefited from a decline in Alliance support rather than Labour. There's no evidence that this had anything to do with Falklands.

3. The economy (in GDP terms) was picking up from the depth of the '80-'81 recession and by early '83 was showing strong growth. Despite their best intentions, many people vote with their wallets and Thatcher benefited from this in '83.

4. Labour did not put up a credible platform for voters outside their core constituencies, without which they couldn't hope to win power.

Now back to the pandemic...

[JohnL]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> In the words of Anne Widdecombe- 'We're Off! to drink wine in a hot tub'

https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/celebrity-big-brother-tv-show-series-21-elstree-studios-hertfordshire-uk-28-jan-2018-9330726ac

[Jules-and-Boo]

That is a great idea.

[malumbu]

Good to see Lewisham still has the lowest rates in London, we need to put some barriers up (could be part of the LTN) to stop SE22ers crossing the border.

[Blah Blah]

Passport to Pimlico comes to mind ;)

[malumbu]

Good idea, if only it wasn't like a Ealing comedy, or should I say a Whitehall (Westminster) farce

[diable rouge]

Where to begin?

We're at the stage where Johnson needs to go and we have a Gov of National Unity. The current Tory party is incapable of governing on its own, it's purged what decent experienced politicians it had over Brexit, and we're now left with a cabinet of the all the talentless.

And a reminder that in less than 9 weeks we exit the Brexit transition period, a time set aside for Gov and business to get everything ready for being outside the single market and the economic hit to the economy that will entail on top of the Covid costs, yet business still doesn't know what this 'oven-ready' deal will finally look like. A refusal to extend this period during a global pandemic is tantamount to gross negligence, a complete lack of duty of care to the well-being of this country and it's citizens...

[Blah Blah]

They seem to be still striving for a deal though, so I'm not convinced they really are prepared to go no deal on Brexit. They backed themselves into a corner on both Brexit and the Pandemic, by promising things that can not be delivered. It is their mess to sort, but it won't be them who pay for it sadly.

[malumbu]

Back to the thread, shocking incompetence. Part of me is hoping that they would get it right (delaying lockdown). But it is groundhog day. Takes me back to March, when I was hoping we'd have a few more weeks of freedom so we could get football almost finished and I could go on my Easter hols. But in retrospect we acted several weeks too late. And the bitter irony is that we are making it far worse for our economy by delaying rather than protecting it. We will now need two inquiries.

Trying to look for a clip where Johnson turns round to his party in PMQs like it was a pantomime (oh no he didn't) but his gives to some of the gist