Corbyn and antisemitism

[malumbu]

You could argue that he is principled, irrespective of his lack of leadership. I feel that there are far worse - Len McClusky and Tom Watson come to mind.

Having said that he was caught out when asked about the Queens Speech. The answer is "no I don't usually watch the Queen's Speech". You could follow this with a white lie - I'll catch the highlights later on the news.

It's worth bringing in PMs on this

Blair. Wont answer question. Which football team do you follow? I like all football teams.

Cameron. Aston Villa or any other team in claret and blue (real answer, I don't like football)

Johnson. Some distraction and bluff, probably and dead cat, but half of the population will still admire him and find him highly amusing and value his leadership.

PS what has happened this site, where are the peeple who uzed to pik up on my bad gramma? (Spelt Shakespeare in the US way).

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Being principled isn't a plus if your principles are rubbish.

But Corbyn isn't principled, he's just loopy: he worked for the Iranian government propaganda channel Press TV for years.

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Having sat in his shadow cabinet all during this shameful period at least Starmer got it right this time

If, after all the pain, all the grief, and all the evidence in this report, there are still those who think there?s no problem with antisemitism in the Labour party, that it?s all exaggerated, or a factional attack, then, frankly, you are part of the problem too and you should be nowhere near the Labour party either.?

Bung the nasty crank and his tankie mates out of the Labour Party

[Sephiroth]

Everything Quidsy says

Apart from maybe - had Starmer (justifiably) jumped ship during the Starmer era it would have strengthened the Corbyn position and we would still be down that rabbit hole

By opposing from within, by being clear but compromising he positioned himself to cure the disease

Now I?m looking at our ruling party and wondering who their Starmer is. Can?t see anyone

[malumbu]

Well, what do we think now? Right wing press will be having a hey day. Not sure why there is this tendency in Labour to destroy from within. Still know people who think JC is God. That's a secular God of course.

[SpringTime]

But does Corbyn hate Jews? Does he really? I doubt it. I very much doubt he ever has, or ever will. He's an inconsistent and often underwhelming communicator, I reckon. And at the same time like many he cannot excuse global policies based on past atrocities, present perceived identities and so on. His Jewish associate and historic supporter Jon Lansman appears to be with him through thick and thin.

[Blah Blah]

Actually no he isn't. Lansman is pro Israel, a Zionist and was targeted at some point by the harder left faction of Momentum who tried to remove him. The result was a splinter group called Grassroots Momentum, headed by people who are now expelled from the Labour Party.

As for Corbyn himself, in light of the ECHR report and his response to it, he is finished. Without the whip, he can not stand as a Labour candidate at the next election. So it will be a question of whether Starmer blinks and restores the whip, or stands his ground hoping for electoral gain as a result. Either way, this is going to rumble on and it is that factional internal battle that will hurt Labour if he can't do something about it.

[malumbu]

What I am trying to get my head around is why? Why the antisemitism in the Labour party?? I've found Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government_conspiracy_theory but this appears to be far right groups, white supremacists, christian fundamentalists. It doesn't appear to be one favoured by left leaning political groups.

But to digress, I'm not protecting JC but Johnson seems to be untouchable - as seems to come out of his handling of the Patel bullying report. So when he comments on Muslim women wearing the niqāb and talking looking like bank robbers it's seen by many as him using a bit of banter to get attention, or agreeing with him and praising him for raising a difficult subject. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/boris-johnsons-burqa-comments-led-to-surge-in-anti-muslim-attacks

If JC had commented on British orthodox jews as failing to integrate and looking ridiculous with their 'funny' clothes and hair, and oppressing the women folk would that have been seen in the same light

[Blah Blah]

You are right about the hypocrisy when it comes to singling out comments or views held by the other side.

The issue of antisemitism on the harder left is more nuanced than the antisemitism of the harder right, but both tap into the same tropes around wealth, power and influence. Corbyn essentially emboldened the voices of this harder left because he shares the same platforms as them. That is the voice of the idealistic revolutionary socialist left.

For those people, America is the worst imperialist superpower, backer of Israel and influenced heavily by a wealthy Jewish cabal. THAT is where the antisemitism of the left is found. It is that anti-capitalist/ anti-imperialist stance that makes Israel a target specifically. This is why they do not show the same obsession for human rights abuses in countries like Russia, China, or any acknowledgement of the human rights abuses committed by Hamas. For these ideologues, Zionists have too much power in the global capitalist hierarchy and that is all that concerns them. So right there, is the same antisemitic trope found on the far right.

[diable rouge]

It's because of this that the jump from far left to far right isn't as difficult as most people assume. The Alt-Right crowd of Brendan O'Neil, Claire Fox et al were once revolutionary Trots/Marxists. Even our resident racist has followed a similar path...

[SpringTime]

Seems like anti-semitism found a decent place to hide - in the Labour Party where you'd might not look for it first.

[Blah Blah]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> It's because of this that the jump from far left to far right isn't as difficult as most people assume. The Alt-Right crowd of > Brendan O'Neil, Claire Fox et al were once revolutionary Trots/Marxists. Even our resident racist has followed a similar

> path...

Exactly this. They share the same authoritarian intolerance of the center to moderate ground, but seek the credibility of that. So that is how you end up with nuanced characters like Farage and Corbyn, creeping into the mainstream. In reality, they are prizing the door half open for the voices and ideas of the fringes, claiming an attack on freedom of speech, if anyone dares call them out on it.

[malumbu]

Funnily enough I've been looking at this response that Corbyn made to the EHRC report. About half of it makes sense, and if done in the right order perhaps adding at the end some statistics on incidents in the Labour Party it would have looked very different. You would still probably question his integrity. I'm not aware of the whole of this being showed on the news channels, but perhaps it was damage limitation after his earlier views.

[Blah Blah]

Corbyn's problem is that he is so bad at showing contrition that no-one would ever believe him anyway, apart from the cultists that hang onto his every breath of course.