Sunlit uplands. Are we there yet?

[diable rouge]

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> > 'Unsubscribes' was shorthand for ''don't bother

> > wasting your time replying as I can't be arsed

> > engaging with your fuckwittery'', and wasn't a

> > bail-out of the thread as a whole.

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> > You're not as insightful as you like to think

> you

> > are...

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> Lighten-up pal. Believe it or not I somehow

> managed to crack your enigma code. Its a joke.

I don't believe it.

That was your cue to post *Unsubscribes...*

Get with the project...pal

[Sephiroth]

Never rah. Never.

Not that there will be a uk much longer

This never ending tantrum is very much an English thing after all

[j.a.]

This is the thing, blaming other people is always an easier path.

I was hoping (hey, even Rees-Mogg alluded to it) that there would be less of the ?it?s all Europe?s fault!? whining (fictional Ergonomics Directive anyone?), but alas no.

This is why populism is essentially terrible; it stops people taking responsibility for themselves.

[Sephiroth]

Edited because I?m talking about someone in 3rd person. Bad form. Even if I don?t think I?m saying anything bad

[TheCat]

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> bother

> > > wasting your time replying as I can't be

> arsed

> > > engaging with your fuckwittery'', and wasn't

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> > > bail-out of the thread as a whole.

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> > > You're not as insightful as you like to think

> > you

> > > are...

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> > Lighten-up pal. Believe it or not I somehow

> > managed to crack your enigma code. Its a joke.

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> I don't believe it.

> That was your cue to post *Unsubscribes...*

> Get with the project...pal

Raawwrrr....maybe you should be called TheCat....

[Seabag]

Dominic Raab has told the EU not to be ?bloody-minded? about implementing the Brexit deal for Northern Ireland, ramping up tensions ahead of crucial talks.

In a defiant message, the foreign secretary said the bitter stand-off was putting the unity of the country at risk, vowing: ?We will not allow the integrity of the UK to be threatened.?

It?s all a bit bolting the stable once the horse has bolted here. The UK is already w4nkered by the shinanigans of its own doing.

Still, Raab puffing himself pleases some.

[Sephiroth]

Today?s update

? After reporting for decades from international conferences I cannot personally remember a British Prime Minister being regarded with such disdain bordering on contempt. In the 90s Major was dubbed Dr. No for blocking EU decisions, but he was still respected. Not the case with BJ?

[JohnL]

We aren't a rule maker or a rule taker.

We just don't take any notice of the rules if we don't want to - but some of the rest realise that. Not sure it's a good position to be in unless you're very powerful to start with.

[TheCat]

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> ? After reporting for decades from international

> conferences I cannot personally remember a British

> Prime Minister being regarded with such disdain

> bordering on contempt. In the 90s Major was dubbed

> Dr. No for blocking EU decisions, but he was still

> respected. Not the case with BJ?

I guess Grahame Lucas didn't ask the French people their opinion....

"According to a recent poll, commissioned by the Gaullist Le Mill?naire think tank, Boris Johnson is France?s favourite national politician, with 51 per cent of the French having a favourable opinion of him. This puts him well ahead of Emmanuel Macron (33 per cent), Marine Le Pen (28 per cent), or the current likely conservative presidential candidate, Xavier Bertrand, 29 per cent"

[Sephiroth]

I?m not sure that report is accurate/widespread or particularly relevant.

It was in the express along with some gufff about uk opening up as Europe remains locked down (when two weeks later it appears to be the reverse happening), so that in and of itself makes it suss

But it won?t be those french people polled who cut deals with Johnson

[Sephiroth]

tell a lie - not just the express, but the increasingly desperate Telegraph and Spectator too

can't find much about William Thay and co online - is this a genuinely reputable poll/organisation?

I mean does it sound plausible that that % of French voters like Johnson?

Because I can tell you what a lot of Irish voters think

[Seabag]

Post G7 where are we at?

Essentially with BlowJo at the helm, Britain is the Kanye West of the political world.

Tragic really

[JohnL]

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> tell a lie - not just the express, but the

> increasingly desperate Telegraph and Spectator

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> can't find much about William Thay and co online -

> is this a genuinely reputable poll/organisation?

>

> I mean does it sound plausible that that % of

> French voters like Johnson?

>

> Because I can tell you what a lot of Irish voters

> think

http://lemillenaire.org/

It hasn't even got a https:// site - suspicious in this day and age.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Tried to send something to Spain via Amazon today. That?s suddenly become a massive pain because of new customs restrictions. I know it?s small potatoes in terms of Brexit, but just another thing that was simple made more difficult by this ridiculous exercise in self harm

[alex_b]

Search for head of the new Brexit Opportunities Unit begins: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/search-for-head-of-the-new-brexit-opportunities-unit-begins

Perhaps something to have been thinking about before voting leave not 5-years later!

[Sephiroth]

NB. That job is not to actually find any benefits ?working closely with eu counterparts?

It?s to acknowledge we are no longer at the table where decisions are made, yet sell any downsides to the public as a benefit

Yay

[diable rouge]

I think Cat should apply for that job, I'm sure a lot of the 'EDF libs' will give him a reference!...:)

[TheCat]

Just back from second interview....it was a bit frosty...

[johnie]

"the economic and political opportunities of Brexit ? making sure the policy, laws and regulations are helping to boost growth, drive forward innovation and increase competition in the UK."

So the opportunities of Brexit are laws and regulations? Who'd have guessed?

[wordsworth]

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Lord Frosty to you...

[Earl Aelfheah]

So half a decade from the referendum result how's it looking?

[zerkalo]

It goes (fairly) well, with one caveat - that's only if you voted Leave or Conservative.

[malumbu]

Not really sure what has to be gained by the "told you so (that it would be bad)" attitude being expressed here. It was and will always be a stupid decision (or a decision made on stupid grounds). But it's done, we have to live with it. Some of the above helps explain Labour's crushing decision at the last Gen Election (aka referendum #2).

Of course those leaning towards the right generally think it has been a good thing. And sovereignty - making are own rules and laws - was one of the substantive benefits of leaving the EU (albeit that I argued against this).

Maybe I am suffering from a sense of humour failure this morning.....

[Sephiroth]

"But it's done, we have to live with it"

But what does living with it mean? That's still the problem that no-one can coalesce around. And looking at various Govt ministers talk about the NI protocol and complete denial of any reality (Brexit means a border - you have to choose where and what it means) means that we can't "live with it" as long as we deny the problems

Living it will mean some form of alignment with EU rules - but people are still in denial about this.

The mandate from the referendum is discharged - we have left the EU. That is the only thing that is done - we are still led by people who don't know what to do, have no plan and are more than a bit dim. This means that the process (rather than the event) will be ongoing for years/decades. And it is important that people are clear about the problems and don't just acquiesce to any old shite

[malumbu]

Just a point that there doesn't seem a lot of value mocking the situation, no matter how daft it is, and how easy it is to do.

Talking to an older chap yesterday who was quite surprised at my poor view of the current PM. He delivers said the chap. Well he did bulldoze his way out of Europe. Which is what much of the country sees (leaving the EU as he promised). As to any old shite I expect that many don't see beyond the fact that we have left.

To digress why on earth has postage to the continent gone up by around 40% for the average 10 - 20 g letter (before I even start on roaming charges)?