Sunlit uplands. Are we there yet?

[diable rouge]

That only addresses the stupidity of the protagonists, to change most pro-Brexit voters minds about Brexit they need to feel the economic effects of Brexit personally...

[Sephiroth]

And then of course there is this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/27/rishi-sunak-fighting-hard-stop-invoking-article-16-claim-boris/

The internal hysteria of the tory party playing out at cost to everyone - If only it was confined to Leavers. But Remainers and other countries pay the price too

But it's this thread and people like me that are "toxic"

[TheCat]

Man I wish I was as smart as you guys...to have such certainty that one is right about everything is a rare thing....

You don't need inverted commas....toxic is toxic....

[Sephiroth]

Any man who can look at all the issues caused by Brexit, the contradictory positions that mean it will never be satisfied, and say other people are the problem?

That?s a man with certainty I will never have

[Sephiroth]

Desperate stuff. All this damage for? nothing

https://amp.ft.com/content/c00ab524-4320-4036-b8f4-813cfd491bd5

Of course I am just an unintelligent poster on a local forum - smarter people than me, who have planned for leaving the eu for years and years will have loads of concrete, actual benefits. Any day now

In the meantime. This national insurance rise coming in a few months to find the nhs. Is that on top of or instead of the 350 million a week?

[Nigello]

N I raise is needed to fund our health and social care - abotu time too and I would gladly pay another 1%.

[Sephiroth]

Oh so would I

But weren?t we told we could do that not by raising taxes but by leaving eu?

[Spartacus]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Oh so would I

>

> But weren?t we told we could do that not by

> raising taxes but by leaving eu?

"And if it wasn't for that pesky pandemic they would have gotten away with it"

More scooby snacks anyone?

[diable rouge]

''But weren?t we told we could do that not by raising taxes but by leaving eu?''

We were also told there would be 'levelling-up', yet increases in NI hit the lower paid harder...

[Sephiroth]

I read these stories (and I know stories like this in my own life too) and I refuse to believe me calling this nonsense out makes me the toxic one. I simply refuse to be gaslit by people like Cat calling me toxic.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/brexit-pubs-curry-pg-tips-but-not-weather-what-exiles-miss-about-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[zerkalo]

Perhaps those who find such a discussion toxic could simply just ignore it? Other threads are available on this forum too. Just a thought!

[JohnL]

Every Tory MP today tweeting about how successful Brexit has been.

Not co-ordinated in the slightest.

[Sephiroth]

don't forget Larry Elliott - he has been "at it" in the Graun today as well

[TheCat]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Every Tory MP today tweeting about how successful

> Brexit has been.

>

> Not co-ordinated in the slightest.

It's the two year 'anniversary' of leaving the EU today...I expect most of the Tory MPs would have had a coordinated social media blitz irrespective of the need to draw attention away from other troubles...

[diable rouge]

It's the new Guy Fawkes Night, every year there'll be a 'bonfire of EU red tape' while ignoring Brexit has created a internal border of red tape of it's own making...

[TheCat]

Just back from a gathering of local like-minded folk...hope the fireworks didn't disturb your dog...

[Seabag]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Just back from a gathering of local like-minded

> folk...hope the fireworks didn't disturb your

> dog...

You?ll be in the minority here, but I?ve a Cath Kidston pitchfork ready for the likes of you anyways.

[diable rouge]

''Just back from a gathering of local like-minded folk...hope the fireworks didn't disturb your dog...''

Let's put this one down to intoxication...

[TheCat]

You probably shouldnt feed your dog alchohol in that case....

[diable rouge]

Best if you go and lie down in a darkened room...it will pass.

[diable rouge]

Panic over boys and girls, Jacob Rees-Mogg has just been made Minister for Brexit Opportunities.

It was a close call between that and Minister for Making Cups of Tea as to which portfolio offered the most scope for a politician of JRM's standing...

[Spartacus]

It does sound like a made up title to give to someone to make them feel important.

Surely this work is covered by people in other roles including the "Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade" but I could just be naive

[diable rouge]

Apparently it's very much a demotion from being Leader of the House, which must stick in Moggy's craw after all the recent defending the indefensible he's been doing lately for Johnson...

[Sephiroth]

It's a made up job for a made up person(a) - but given the title, there will be expectations

So I will be watching him struggle with some amusement

[Sephiroth]

To be fair, and on reflection, I should give credit where it?s due

If it wasn?t for Brexit, we wouldn?t be able to appoint JRM as minister for Brexit opportunities. So despite all my complaining, I feel pretty, pretty small right now