Dick?s Out

[JohnL]

If you believe in the Jury system she was absolved - although not the Met (which I guess some may find strange)

"In 2007, an Old Bailey jury found the Met had broken health and safety laws and was guilty of endangering the public over Mr de Menezes?s shooting, but that there was ?no personal culpability for Commander Cressida Dick?."

"An inquest returned an open verdict, with a jury rejecting Scotland Yard?s claim that Mr de Menezes was lawfully killed."

[Nigello]

I would like any replacement to start off with the mantra that policing is for all, and not deep dive into the ever-increasing, often competing and sometimes overlapping minority interests too much. (I tick a fair few boxes, so no need to take pot shots based on ignorance.) I don't want rainbow-coloured patrol cars, etc. more than I want decent training based on common decency and respect and/or police presence and interaction outside of when it is "necessary", ie. when a crime has been committed or there is a public order situation.

[malumbu]

wordsworth Wrote:

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> It's not a insult, it's a fact. Patel shouldn't be in her job either. Take a chill pill bro.

Class!

Sick post, you can interpret that how you want pal.

In the real world good that others are more constructive, who do you think should be the next commissioner, and would make a better Home Sec. Well the second one is probably many of the Tory MPs

[JohnL]

Boris has chosen the cabinet on loyalty rather than ability.

[Spartacus]

In a bizarre twist, the Met Police Federation have said they have no faith in the mayor.

BBC News - Sadiq Khan: Met Police Federation has 'no faith' in London mayor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60375845

[malumbu]

On this occasion, with more and more bad stories coming out on the Met Police, this seems misplaced.

PS who is this Boris everyone talks about, Boris Becker, Boris Karloff??

Is this Boris mates with Dave, Gordon and Tony??

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

JohnL Wrote:

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> If you believe in the Jury system she was absolved

> - although not the Met (which I guess some may

> find strange)

1) Dick was never charged - the jury could not absolve her of anything when she was not a defendant. The Met was found guilty. What has it done since then to institutionally cleanse itself? And after Ian Tomlinson's death?

2) I can't find the judgement to read what the point of what the jury was trying to say. Was it "she did nothing wrong?" or was it "the Met shouldn't scapegoat

3) there's a world of difference between "she shouldn't face legal liability" and "she should get promoted to the top police job in the country"!

[Seabag]

And in all honesty, who?s taking the Police Federation seriously here?

Exactly, nobody.

[ianr]

Seabag wrote:

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> And in all honesty, who?s taking

> the Police Federation seriously here?

>

> Exactly, nobody.

Show your working please.

[Seabag]

ianr Wrote:

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> Seabag wrote:

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> > And in all honesty, who?s taking

> > the Police Federation seriously here?

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> > Exactly, nobody.

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> Show your working please.

It?s all a bit tit for tat against the Mayor?s decision.

We agree, Dick had to go right?

A spokeswoman for the Mayor of London said: "It is the mayor's job to stand up for Londoners and hold the police to account on their behalf, as well to support the police in bearing down on crime.

"With trust in the police among Londoners shattered following a series of devastating scandals exposing evidence of racism, misogyny, homophobia, harassment and discrimination in the Met, it was the mayor's view that a change of leadership was the only way to address this crisis in trust.

"The mayor has always made clear that there are thousands of incredibly brave and decent police officers at the Met, who we owe a huge debt of gratitude.

"But the series of scandals seen in recent years has tarnished the reputation of the police, which is so crucial to policing by consent. Downplaying the scale of the change required is only going to hinder, not help, the vital process of restoring Londoners' trust in the Met."

Does anyone not agree with what the mayor?s spokesperson said?

[jazzer]

The same could be said of Khan for his lack of financial control of TfL that he should also go now.

[malumbu]

Apart from TfL's financial problems started under the last Mayor. Khan didn't pay a lot of heed to this.

And of course the last Mayor fell out with a Commissioner and got rid of him.

[Sephiroth]

also not sure how TfL financial woes in 2022 are all that different to UK PLC or indeed most other countries - TfL will have lost FORTUNE over lockdown and not sure that's on Khan (or whoever would be mayor at this time)

[JohnL]

jazzer Wrote:

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> The same could be said of Khan for his lack of

> financial control of TfL that he should also go

> now.

Thats up to the electors as he's directly elected.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Seabag Wrote:

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> And in all honesty, who?s taking the Police

> Federation seriously here?

A union that always sticks up for the very worst of its members no matter what they have done.

Interestingly, because it parallels the discussion around Dick above, the Police Federation is currently ploughing members' money into litigation to stop police officers going to disciplinary proceedings over the use of force if they haven't also been convicted of a crime. I think most people on the street would say "if you kill someone, just because you're not guilty of a crime, it doesn't mean you did your job well".

https://www.polfed.org/news/latest-news/2022/pfew-granted-leave-to-appeal-to-supreme-court-in-case-of-w80/

[Seabag]

I?m being a bit lazy here, not looking it up, but isn?t that the same in the US, where dismissed or suspended Police get aggressively represented by their union?

[Spartacus]

I see the Mayor is whining about the Met Police once again

BBC News - Metropolitan Police has real problems, Sadiq Khan says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61696549

Interestingly (or not) he doesn't want to take responsibility for it, despite being the current occupant of the Mayor?s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC) and is required by law to produce a plan that explains how the police, community safety partners and other criminal justice agencies will work together to reduce crime.

The Police and Crime Plan reflects the Mayor?s manifesto and priorities for making London a safer city for all Londoners and the Mayor?s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC) is the strategic oversight body tasked with devising the Police and Crime Plan and ensuring that it is delivered over four years.

Much like anything else he's responsible for, TfL is a prime example, he always seems to find someone else to blame...

In my opinion, he needs to stand up, take responsibility and deliver something rather then blaming everyone else.

[Nigello]

Ditch the mayorship as it stands here and elsewhere- another layer of mostly impotent roles and all the flummery that goes with it. Or make the role much more powerful and conflate all the boroughs in major conurbations (London, Manchester, Glasgow, Sheffield etc.) into a proper city status. Khan is uninspiring yet believes he?s a true potentate. Ken had some style and a popular touch. Boris had charisma and energy as mayor but used it as a stepping stone.

[KidKruger]

?another layer of mostly impotent roles?

A bit like the royal family, no ?

Should there be bunting for the mayorship, too ?! 🤣

[Spartacus]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> ?another layer of mostly impotent roles?

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> A bit like the royal family, no ?

> Should there be bunting for the mayorship, too ?!

> 🤣

Have you never seen the Lord Mayors parade Kid ?

[ianr]

Spartacus wrote:

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> Interestingly (or not) he doesn't want to take

> responsibility for it, despite being the current

> occupant of the Mayor?s Office for Policing and

> Crime (MOPAC) and is required by law to produce a

> plan that explains how the police, community

> safety partners and other criminal justice

> agencies will work together to reduce crime.

Where is the requirement enacted? [Now found]

[JohnL]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> > ?another layer of mostly impotent roles?

> >

> > A bit like the royal family, no ?

> > Should there be bunting for the mayorship, too

> ?!

> > 🤣

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> Have you never seen the Lord Mayors parade Kid ?

I saw the documentary "The Spiders Web" - exposed the City - its not all ceremonial.

[Spartacus]

Interesting use of Statistics by the Mayor today

But dig deeper and you will see since his baseline year (To May 2016) and current year (To April 2022) that during his time in office crime in London hasn't been going down but increased before peaking a few years ago then falling last year when we were mostly in lockdown.

Wonder if he's published the year on year change to show the true picture over the past 6 years and any correlation between reported crime and lockdowns.

Gun crime : https://www.statista.com/statistics/865565/gun-crime-in-london/

Knife crime : https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/

Burglary: https://www.statista.com/statistics/864791/burglary-offences-in-london/

[ianr]

Spartacus wrote above on 5 June

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> I see the Mayor is whining about

> the Met Police once again BBC News

> - Metropolitan Police has real

> problems, Sadiq Khan says

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61696549

I went, after reading that, to the actual interview. I wouldn't characterise it at all as whining. I've an audio mp3 of it, ~4.5MB, if anyone wants.

I do get irritated by his diction though. Both the almost gabbled, quick-fire repeated litanies of the same points that comes across as a bit glib, and the dropped g's in amazin', applyin', etc. I don't know whether he's channelling Peter Wimsey or William Brown.

[ianr]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Interesting use of Statistics by the Mayor today

That seems to have been one of his briefings of the week. It turned up in the Sophie Raworth TV interview on Sunday too.