Seabag Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Here we go, the old ?woke? straw man gets wheeled out.What is this obsession?GB news loves it too, but seriously ?what actually is it?? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I get where you're coming from seabag, the term is starting to lose a little bit of meaning, but this obsession goes both ways though I think....it seems like just mentioning the word 'woke' in a negative context gets progressive folk lashing out...If Muhammad Ali was still around, he might even call it woke-a-dope....:) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 *Waves at P3girl and cidolphus...* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 LOL Cummings just posted a post proving that nuclear war is inevitable LOL - But he's wrong. Not sure if the fact he's wrong is his point ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 TheCat Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I get where you're coming from seabag, the term is> starting to lose a little bit of meaning, but this> obsession goes both ways though I think....it> seems like just mentioning the word 'woke' in a> negative context gets progressive folk lashing> out...> > If Muhammad Ali was still around, he might even> call it woke-a-dope....:)Isn?t woke a negative now, I mean nobody describes themselves as woke anymore do they?So last decade But heck, the right can?t seem to say it enough. And this government have an anti-woke department I believe. Obsessed is the word best describes its overuse. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringTime Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 Waseley Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Serious question would anyone here fight to save> Ukraine? No, I didn't think so. Not sure what> the West could do. I'd happily deport all Russian> citizens. Not sure how many UK citizens live in> Russia.I'm considering seriously as to going to fight. It might be too late. I might not come back. It will likely involve casualties of young Russians who don't know why they're there. My womenfolk here at home will determine whether I go. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Getting back to the discussion in hand Whilst the UK and Europe are imposing sanctions on Russia which has resulted in gas prices rising why are the UK and Europe still buying gas from Russia which is pouring millions extra into their economy as a result of wholesale prices rising. Whilst it will add hardship in the gas wholesale market it will also cut off a flow of cash to Russia.Admittedly we only take a small percentage of Russian gas but Europe takes (from memory) 40% of their supply. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringTime Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 Spartacus Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Getting back to the discussion in hand > > Whilst the UK and Europe are imposing sanctions on> Russia which has resulted in gas prices rising why> are the UK and Europe still buying gas from Russia> which is pouring millions extra into their economy> as a result of wholesale prices rising. > > Whilst it will add hardship in the gas wholesale> market it will also cut off a flow of cash to> Russia.> > Admittedly we only take a small percentage of> Russian gas but Europe takes (from memory) 40% of> their supply.We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one should. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringTime Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 PS This discussion can indeed involve fighters leaving the UK and elsewhere to support the cause. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one should."Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do you heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes, stay warm etc........ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 SpringTime Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> PS This discussion can indeed involve fighters> leaving the UK and elsewhere to support the cause.Around the time Truss said that it was ok for UK citizens to fight in Ukraine, I read somewhere that it was illegal for UK nationals to fight in a war/conflict that didn't involve the UK. Later the Gov seemed to back this up by stating that UK nationals shouldn't fight in Ukraine. If you're not a UK national then this of course doesn't apply... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 jazzer Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one> should."> > Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do you> heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes, stay> warm etc........In an ideal world Springtime is correct but we are possibly 20 years from that point and if it all goes horribly wrong in the Ukraine global warming could be the least of our issues However the question is still valid of why are we using Russian gas at the moment as economically they massively benefit from it whilst gas prices are high Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 My gas boiler is 14 years old - but not sure there's an option when replacement time comes (soon) as I live in flats and have to take what is available.Don't heat much mind - my Electricity bill dwarfs Gas. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringTime Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 jazzer Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one> should."> > Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do you> heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes, stay> warm etc........We've done well without gas for tens of thousands of years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringTime Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 diable rouge Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> SpringTime Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > PS This discussion can indeed involve fighters> > leaving the UK and elsewhere to support the> cause.> > Around the time Truss said that it was ok for UK> citizens to fight in Ukraine, I read somewhere> that it was illegal for UK nationals to fight in a> war/conflict that didn't involve the UK. > > Later the Gov seemed to back this up by stating> that UK nationals shouldn't fight in Ukraine. > > If you're not a UK national then this of course> doesn't apply...Seems that there's little stopping anyone getting over the border at Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland. There are two Romanian borders, and then another with Moldova. Though I'd probably avoid Transnistria. And Belarus obviously.I could care less what Truss says. Even if she had a good sense of geography I wouldn't care what she said. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Spartacus Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Europe takes (from memory) 40% of> their supply.That is basically the answer to your question Spartacus....this stuff doesn't grow on trees:) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 SpringTime Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> jazzer Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one> > should."> > > > Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do> you> > heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes,> stay> > warm etc........> > We've done well without gas for tens of thousands> of years.We did 'well' without basically every modern convenience for tens of thousands of years too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 "We've done well without gas for tens of thousands of years."That's an argument that doesn't work at all surely?a) we didn't do wellb) we didn't have electronic equipment for even longer but here you arec) if you do travel to Ukraine, you walking or horseback riding? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Seabag Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Sue Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Well, this is cheery ....> > Time for a Sloe Gin SueAlas, I have no Sloe Gin 🤣 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Today feels like preparation for being back in the stone ageWas mead around ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidKruger Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Yeah - by burning wood.Several thousand fires every night in ED would be an eye opener.SpringTime Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> jazzer Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > "We shouldn't be using gas anyway. No one> > should."> > > > Gotta say that's a pretty daft comment; How do> you> > heat your home, cook food, dry your clothes,> stay> > warm etc........> > We've done well without gas for tens of thousands> of years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I recently read Riddley Walker.Seems to me that's where we are heading 😶 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Going back to the discussions on how much the West is to blame you should catch the Radio 4 Moral Maze from last night where various views were presented. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0014x1m You've got Melanie Phillips presenting a more hawkish opinion. Others question the West's 'decadence' the UK's insular position, general economic interests eg our willingness to do business with China, political self expediency (ie that to have done more will have harmed the UK population) and national self interest. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0014x1mP3 girl - you have far more experience of USSR/Russia than most. I visited much of the communist bloc in the 90s relatively shortly after the collapse of communism but never Russia. Your posts have come over a little opinionated, and I didn't find swiping at Germany, the BBC and the Guardian helpful, from what you have said this may not have been your intention. One can see the BBC as the best trusted, and most independent of all public service broadcasters. Or lefty metropolitan elitist aka the fabricated culture wars. The above broadcast very much suggests the former. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Still no sign of UK sanctions against Russian oligarchs, yet more 'blusterism' empty rhetoric from a PM who reckons the UK is ''leading the way'', meanwhile France and Germany have actually been seizing assets. All this delay is doing is giving the oligarch's time to 'tidy up' and move their assets... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Western Decadence - I think some of this is perceived rather than real.What do I do that's decadent ?PubComputer GamesWatch NetflixA holiday rarelyIt's more some enjoyable things in life that I know others in the world may not have. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/303402-ukraine-situation/page/6/#findComment-1567972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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