ULEZ expansion ruled lawful by High Court

[megalaki84]

Victory for ULEZ and a great day to be a Londoner. Clearly shows the Mayor's determination on vehicle control policies and hopefully an indication on the will to push through CPZs

[first mate]

For some, not all.

[Rockets]

Judge was critical of consultation process which could be interesting.

[malumbu]

 

Pleased with the Court decision that ULEZ extension is legal. Irrespective of any issues the case raised Mayor Khan can now implement the next stage of Mayor Johnson's brainchild.

Nobody appears to mention the compromise for those in low income who can change their old diesel for an even older petrol car.  That would not make good news.  The compromise was proposed under Johnson's time.  I'll see if I can get a link.

And stuff you Tory counties, Tory boroughs, and for balance the leader of the opposition and wishy washy MPs including mine.  I'll be writing Tomy MP again.

Anyway hooray!

Oh and that pathetic Transport Secretary 

 

 

[snowy]

Where does it say that in their summary? 

Point 37 dismisses all of the claims that the consultation was insufficient.

[Rockets]

According to the BBC...

 

The judge also takes a pop at the consultation process, but ultimately sides with Sadiq Khan again: "While the consultation conducted was not in-depth, it was lawful."

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Councils will probably take heed as this is a bit of a shot across the bow from the judge. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Rockets

[megalaki84]

So basically, "it's not perfect but it's fine". Not a basis for a challenge 

[snowy]

Those words don't exist in the judgement 

[Rockets]

It was in the judges' summing up...its a shot across the bow.

 

But do you not think Labour HQs headache now actually gets worse on the back of this judgement? A result against them might have been the best result for them.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Rockets

[Rockets]

Sadiq may be heading into more troubled waters as Labour HQ aren't at all happy that ULEZ is costing them votes at a time when they need to be showing that they are not a divided party and this sort of thing is behind them. It will be interesting to see if party politics come into play now, this regional issue has far reaching national implications.

 

As I said before ULEZ is a huge political football and the stakes could not be higher.

[Rockets]

4 hours ago, megalaki84 said:

Victory for ULEZ and a wonderful day for London that clearly shows the Mayor's determination on vehicle control. Hopefully this carries through to CPZs 

It is often not what is in front you that causes the problems but what comes further down the road.....

[megalaki84]

I think Labour will be absolutely fine. The last time London voted Conservative in GE was 1992. The last time Southwark had a Tory MP was for 4 months in 1880 and 1815 before that. 

[megalaki84]

1 minute ago, Rockets said:

It is often not what is in front you that causes the problems but what comes further down the road.....

Exactly why I support it. ULEZ provides a base that can easily be expanded to include all polluting vehicles in future

[Rockets]

Given the comments coming out of Labour HQ about ULEZ in light of the Uxbridge by-election only a political fool would suggest they are not concerned about the perceptual impact this could have on their election campaign....a clear bump in the road they don't need (no matter how far ahead they are). Labour HQ knows they have to overturn a big majority and cannot afford any distractions. Uxbridge was a massive wake-up call.

[snowy]

1 hour ago, Rockets said:

It was in the judges' summing up...its a shot across the bow.

 

But do you not think Labour HQs headache now actually gets worse on the back of this judgement? A result against them might have been the best result for them.

I mean, lol. 

"Delivering a summary of his 18-page ruling, Mr Justice Swift said all three grounds of claim brought by the councils had failed.

“I’m satisfied the Mayor’s decision to expand the Ulez area by amending the present road charging scheme rather than submitting an entirely new scheme was within his powers,” he said.

“Having carefully considered the decision published for the purposes of consultation, I’m satisfied sufficient information was provided to permit those wanting to respond to the consultation to provide informed responses.

“I’m further satisfied that when taking the decision on the grant to meet the cost of the vehicle scrappage scheme, the Mayor understood the likely provision that would be made.

“While the consultation conducted was not in-depth, it was lawful.”

the actual quote in context.

[Rockets]

Legal speak for....bring this poorly thought-out homework back to me again and you may not get a pass grade next time....

 

[megalaki84]

1 minute ago, Rockets said:

Legal speak for....bring this poorly thought-out homework back to me again and you may not get a pass grade next time....

 

I'm not sure what you're seeing that I'm not but that is about as solid a judgement by the judge as you're ever likely to see

[malumbu]

Rocks, Labour won Selby overturning a 20000 majority, not seen since 1945 and a swing of over 25 per cent, not seen for 30 years.  This is what they need to celebrate rather than opposing measures that save lives 

[first mate]

Sounds legal speak for just squeaked by, to me.

[Rockets]

I can assure you, Labour HQ is spending far more time worrying about Uxbridge than celebrating Selby. 

[Administrator]

FYI: Today's High Court ULEZ decision discussion has been split into a new topic to avoid derailing the existing CPZ and LTN ones.

[first mate]

Thanks Admin, good call.

[megalaki84]

Whilst I'm sure that true, Labour also know that softening on environmental issues is the surest way to split the Left vote. 

[mr.chicken]

1 hour ago, Rockets said:

Sadiq may be heading into more troubled waters as Labour HQ aren't at all happy that ULEZ is costing them votes

That's because Starmer is basically a conservative camping out in the Labour party. His only concrete positions seem to be a half step shuffle to the left of whatever the Tories are currently doing. And here he's at it again, repeating a Tory talking point uncritically as if it's a fact.

1. Uxbridge has voted conservative for over 50 years (it's not that old, but this holds if you consider it's two parent constituencies). Don't forget that the residents of Uxbridge decided they wanted to have Boris Johnson as an MP even when the quality of his character was very well known.

2. The difference between Tory and Labour was a lot smaller than the Green party share of the vote, and the greens are pro ULEZ to the point where they are trying to implement their own in Brighton.

 

[snowy]

I would be a bit annoyed if i lived in one of the 4 tory boroughs that just wasted £1m of local constituents council tax on a bit of culture war electioneering against a Conservative policy. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by snowy