No 185 Bus Frequency

[mary123]

This bus service is not running to schedule on the apps , longer waiting times and when it finally reaches stop, arriving jam-packed and then terminating earlierb.at Vauxhall.

Anyone else experiencing less.buses..

[malumbu]

Complain to London Buses, you can do it on line, then escalate to TfL/GLA.  You can inform your councillor too 

[malumbu]

Got a 363 to Crystal Palace and back last night.  Bunching always cheeses me off but this is not my point here.  Two 185s came while we were waiting and how exciting that they are lovely new electric buses.  Well done Mayor Khan.  Not like those dreadful new routemasters on the 176 that was one of the last mayor's indulgence projects, £50k too expensive, vibrate badly and rarely run in electric mode.  Bendy buses are great in modern cities with straight wide roads.  Not London.

[jazzer]

It is not that buses do not run as per the timetable but khan has managed to reduce the  number of buses running per hour on local routes, i.e. P12, P13, 78. And what is this nonsense about holding buses to "even out the service" and why is it when buses are "due" on the indicator board, i.e the 63 at Camberwell Old Cemetery, the buses remain parked up rather than running as is indicated and scheduled??? 

There are no bendy buses operating in London, so why make the point?

Khan remains a huge liability to London in general, come May I only hope he gets booted out of office and so are the LTN's and ULEZ, which I'm sure won't please you M. 

[Sue]

  On 03/12/2023 at 15:51, jazzer said:

It is not that buses do not run as per the timetable but khan has managed to reduce the  number of buses running per hour on local routes, i.e. P12, P13, 78. And what is this nonsense about holding buses to "even out the service" and why is it when buses are "due" on the indicator board, i.e the 63 at Camberwell Old Cemetery, the buses remain parked up rather than running as is indicated and scheduled??? 

There are no bendy buses operating in London, so why make the point?

Khan remains a huge liability to London in general, come May I only hope he gets booted out of office and so are the LTN's and ULEZ, which I'm sure won't please you M. 

Expand  

The holding of buses to even out the service is to try to prevent buses being bunched up at certain sections of the route, eg due to traffic conditions, which means that there may be none at all on other sections of the route, where people would therefore have to wait a lot longer for a bus.

And why do you say "Khan remains a huge liability to London in general"?

I think he has been a great mayor. 

Or are you one of the people who has their heads buried firmly in the sand about issues such as  climate change and pollution?

Edited December 3, 2023 by Sue
Clarification

[jazzer]

What does climate change have to do with bus frequency, really!!!!!!!!!!!! I do despair

Totally disagree, Khan has been a diabolical example of a mayor and in fact London does not need a Mayor, the city ran perfectly well without one. It's another layer of unneeded bureaucracy that we pay for and the money could be much better spent rather than on the exorbitant salaries at city hall and the consultants they employ on even more eye watering wages.   

Edited December 3, 2023 by jazzer

[malumbu]

Have you proof of exorbitant salaries and how these compare, to say, merchant bankers?

 Consultants are widely used in the private and public sector, in the public sector there are financial controls on budget.

Do you know what you have said is fact?  What is your source?

would you not agree the Oyster card, and integrated transport network in London has been a great success?  That other cities are looking to replicate??

What about the new electric 185s, surely you must agree they are wonderful.

dunno about the frequency.  I check when the next one is and go for that.  Sometimes Google/TfL get the expected arrival time wrong, which is frustrating, but no doubt this will improve.

ULEZ has improved air quality as dirtier vehicles are taken off the road.  We can debate whether it was justified to extend this but not for this thread

[jazzer]

  On 03/12/2023 at 21:07, malumbu said:

Have you proof of exorbitant salaries and how these compare, to say, merchant bankers?

 Consultants are widely used in the private and public sector, in the public sector there are financial controls on budget.

Do you know what you have said is fact?  What is your source?

would you not agree the Oyster card, and integrated transport network in London has been a great success?  That other cities are looking to replicate??

What about the new electric 185s, surely you must agree they are wonderful.

dunno about the frequency.  I check when the next one is and go for that.  Sometimes Google/TfL get the expected arrival time wrong, which is frustrating, but no doubt this will improve.

ULEZ has improved air quality as dirtier vehicles are taken off the road.  We can debate whether it was justified to extend this but not for this thread

Expand  

Yes and I have a source

185's aren't "electric", they run on batteries which has to be charged and where does the enegy come from that, oh I know, fossil fuels. 

Oyster was done before Khan was in office,  what integrated system ?

Not getting into a ulez debate, for the record I disagree with ulez, is that not why vehicles pay road tax, for which Battery vehicles will also now be paying or very soon. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by jazzer

[mary123]

I spoke to the 185 Bus Driver today, as the bus terminated early at Vauxhall, he said "too much traffic on the roads" but there is another 185 behind,,  and yes there was,  tag teaming the 185 infront,  and that had also terminated at Vauxhall and was told to go back towards Lewisham??  have emailed TFL a couple of times , who are looking at it,  if you are also experiencing this grind for your journeys, may help and add more weight to the issue of reduced bus services generally,  which have not kept up with people returning to office/work.  

customerservice@tfl.gov.uk

they reply quicky to give an acknowledgement response they are looking into matter, but sure it will only move along with more complaints.

[Sue]

  On 03/12/2023 at 17:55, jazzer said:

What does climate change have to do with bus frequency, really!!!!!!!!!!!! I do despair

Expand  

You said Khan "remains a huge liability to London in general".

If you weren't referring to his efforts to reduce emissions and pollution (and hence to affect climate change, however minimally and belatedly) perhaps you could be more specific in why you said this at all in - yes! - a thread about bus frequency!

[Earl Aelfheah]

  On 03/12/2023 at 17:55, jazzer said:

What does climate change have to do with bus frequency, really!!!!!!!!!!!! I do despair 

Expand  

If buses don't run frequently, then you limit capacity on the network. Good public transport encourages people out of their cars, which does have an impact on climate change.

On the ULEZ point - it seeks to further disincentivise the ownership / use of high polluting vehicles, which impact on air quality and people's health. It also raises money to help offset a little of the externalised costs generated by those who still choose to drive high polluting vehicles, which would otherwise be socialised.

RE. LTNs - we know that they reduce the overall number of car journeys and encourage more walking and cycling. 

These things together - fewer polluting vehicles, fewer short distance car journeys, more walking and cycling and more frequent public transport are good things imo. I find it strange that you would oppose all of them. Interested to hear your alternative strategies.

Edited December 6, 2023 by Earl Aelfheah