"The streets are paved with fines" - Interesting article, with quotes from the AA, from the BBC

[Rockets]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw5d50xwwpo

[malumbu]

Good heavens, how many threads can you have on the demonisation of motorists?  

[tiddles]

Many plus anecdotal info… personally intervened whilst blue badge holders were being ticketed… both times they were not issued 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

"It seems TfL may need drivers to offend and generate income instead of complying with road rules."

Wow, this is so unbelievably cynical of TfL. Drivers should totally band together and stick it up Khan's arse by not committing traffic offences on red routes. That'll show him!

[malumbu]

I was an early adopter of avoiding penalty notices.  Not that TfL have noticed....  😞

[Spartacus]

12 hours ago, malumbu said:

Good heavens, how many threads can you have on the demonisation of motorists?  

I guess that depends on how many ways the pips of motorists can be squeezed 😅

[first mate]

It's a bit off the point but one thing I don't understand - happy to be corrected/educated, is that it seems traffic road mortality and fatality risk is considerably higher in the Netherlands than over here? Yet the Netherlands is one of the cycling pioneers. One of the much expressed aims of our myriad traffic changes is to save lives. Why then do we have a better record on this than one of the world's cycling centres?

[malumbu]

Could be many reasons.  Why on earth reference cycling?  

[Rockets]

I didn't realise that but looking at the stats it does seem to be true. I do know the Dutch have a high per capita car ownership rate and a lot drive and cycle but why the mortality rate is so much higher than ours is interesting. Anyone have any clue?

[first mate]

I was also surprised. It may be a complete red herring but given many more people cycle in the Netherlands I somehow expected them score lower than us, in that the 'goodness' of cycling would somehow permeate the culture ( I am being a bit tongue in cheek). As you say Rockets, perhaps just many more car owners despite the fact they cycle.