The newly landscaped Dulwich Square

[malumbu]

It's been four years since the junction was closed, perhaps time to move on?  Maybe even enjoy the lovely square.  Or keep your issues to the LTN thread rather than bringing a downer on this one.

[Bicknell]

just because time passed doesnt make it fair for people  with   disabilities

 

[Harry]

Agreed  !

[Spartacus]

54 minutes ago, malumbu said:

It's been four years since the junction was closed, perhaps time to move on?  Maybe even enjoy the lovely square.  Or keep your issues to the LTN thread rather than bringing a downer on this one.

It's been 4 years, your concerns aren't important to me , get on with your life and stop trying to fix an injustice 

Blimey mal, good job you aren't involved in the horizon or similar scandals 

[Penguin68]

1 hour ago, Spartacus said:

Blimey mal, good job you aren't involved in the horizon or similar scandals

So far as you know... 😄

[malumbu]

The posts on the closure of the road and the LTN are repetitive, and there is a whole separate thread on this.  I like the square and seeing it used suggests others do too.  

[Bicknell]

its ok for you to like it

its also ok for others to say that stopping blue badge holders coming through  is unfair

[march46]

15 hours ago, Bicknell said:

just because time passed doesnt make it fair for people  with   disabilities

I regularly see people with disabilities benefitting from the inclusive, car-free space. 

Last week there was a group of young adults with disabilities with their teachers, reading books and enjoying the sunshine on the benches. On Tuesday a group of people with disabilities from the charity Wheels for Well-being were cycling through on one of their inclusive rides. Everyday I see children and elderly people with disabilities travelling through the space more easily and safely than they would have before when it was filled with cars.

 

 

[tiddles]

Footfall has dropped - businesses noticing the difference new restrictions etc have had on trade 

[Bicknell]

many kinds of disability  ,some hidden

some cannot walk  or  wheel

this space could   have been designed  for all inc. blue badge holders

but it wasnt

 

[march46]

1 hour ago, tiddles said:

Footfall has dropped - businesses noticing the difference new restrictions etc have had on trade 

The latest update on the council's website states the opposite, presumably this is based on their VivaCity data.

[Penguin68]

17 minutes ago, march46 said:

The latest update on the council's website states the opposite, presumably this is based on their VivaCity data.

No, the Council is reporting the increased number of people standing around an area that once had live traffic in it - probably an increase from the time of Covid when we were all locked up anyway, and hardly surprising - people tend not to mill about active roads.

The reference to 'footfall' refers to passing pedestrian traffic which then goes into shops - which is what keeps the shops open (assuming they then buy anything). Shops seem to be reporting fewer customers.

The two 'figures' are not incompatible. They are measuring different things. Fewer people buying stuff to support the local economy, more people aimlessly milling about on what used to be a road with traffic.

Edited March 13 by Penguin68

[march46]

I don't think these drivers were contributing much to footfall!

[first mate]

This is laughable. The landscaped junction is not a 'community hub' the shops where people walk to buy stuff, the restaurants, the pub and nearby parks  are what draw people in. I have little doubt though that LCC and Southwark Cyclists will do their very best to make this seem a 'destination'.

[Bicknell]

not  community hub   for all

hard to shop if you   cant walk or wheel 

[Earl Aelfheah]

Hard to shop if you can't walk or wheel? How? There is disabled parking right outside the shops. 

I defy anyone to say look at those before and after shots and say that it's not a nicer space now for pedestrians. Whether you'd rather prioritise people driving through is another matter, but for pedestrians, it's objectively a better space.

[malumbu]

Court Lane was my commute for many years.  Horridly congested at peak hours.  Don't know why anyone would have driven on this route.  So much nicer now.

[Spartacus]

27 minutes ago, malumbu said:

Court Lane was my commute for many years.  Horridly congested at peak hours.  Don't know why anyone would have driven on this route.  So much nicer now.

Ahhh so you were the problem driving through it every day 😅

[first mate]

All a bit confusing since that last comparison photo shows a tarmac road with 20mph on it. This must be pre landscaping of the junction? Not sure what this is promoting? Perhaps it was hard to find another photo of the alleged 'community hub' with many people in it?

Visiting at the weekend, you get people sitting outside to drink coffee etc they have bought, but they did that anyway, it is not like it is a new thing.

Weekdays, well it is pretty much just a bigger cycle thoroughfare...a very expensive way to cheer the likes of Malumbu up.

 

Edited March 13 by first mate

[malumbu]

1 hour ago, Spartacus said:

Ahhh so you were the problem driving through it every day 😅

Me driving during peak hours.  I don't think so.  You may be surprised that there are other ways to commute.  

Much faster.

Cheaper.

More healthy.

Better for the environment 

And smugger 

[Spartacus]

3 minutes ago, malumbu said:

Me driving during peak hours.  I don't think so.  You may be surprised that there are other ways to commute.  

Much faster.

Cheaper.

More healthy.

Better for the environment 

And smugger 

Not your Harley fat boy again 

 

Such a noisy beast 

[malumbu]

A Harley - something you will have never seen me on.  Even before Trump's tariffs.  The company was selling over weight over priced bikes that hardly anyone wanted, so Reagan put a massive tariff on the large, cheaper, and better Japanese bikes which saved the Harley brand.  Sounds familiar!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_motorcycle_tariff

And 30 years before that cool American bikers did not ride Harleys

Triumph 6T Thunderbird

[Spartacus]

19 minutes ago, malumbu said:

A Harley - something you will have never seen me on.  Even before Trump's tariffs.  The company was selling over weight over priced bikes that hardly anyone wanted, so Reagan put a massive tariff on the large, cheaper, and better Japanese bikes which saved the Harley brand.  Sounds familiar!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_motorcycle_tariff

And 30 years before that cool American bikers did not ride Harleys

Triumph 6T Thunderbird

Are you now claiming to be a rebel without a clue ? 

[malumbu]

Nah, I'm the mild one

[Bicknell]

3 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Hard to shop if you can't walk or wheel? How? There is disabled parking right outside the shops. 

I defy anyone to say look at those before and after shots and say that it's not a nicer space now for pedestrians. Whether you'd rather prioritise people driving through is another matter, but for pedestrians, it's objectively a better space.

pls check parking for dv shops for those with disabilites.  eg if east of  junction none at end of court lane just bike racks  & escooter bay. nnot easy

seperate point but clash  pedestrins/cyhles (not c;;ear who jas right of way) makes it  feel unsafe if your walking