The newly landscaped Dulwich Square

[ianr]

Perhaps a working party can be convened to visit some of Streetscan's highest rated locations and report back.  The nearest, with a whopping 4.6 points, is  probably Leafield Road, SW20 9AG,  https://streetscan.co.uk/.

Correction: Pickhurst Rise, BR4 0AW, according to thetrainline.com, seems to be a little closer.  It's another 4.6er.

Edited August 15 by ianr

[Rockets]

6 hours ago, ed_pete said:

Hilarious - you don't even know what criteria that's being applied to create the category and yet you're happy to shout it loud and proud. It's on a website ! It MUST be true !

To be fair I am only amplifying the report @Earl Aelfheah shared and, we presume, validated or peer-reviewed.....;-)

[Rockets]

Does StreetScan use the same data source as the numbers Sadiq showed recently on crime across London- where he claimed an annual drop of 13% in theft from person across London?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62nqvzzq79o

[malumbu]

Nowt to do with the exhaustive conversation on LTNs but looking at the article what is Reform proposing for 'fixing our broken society'?  When they seem quite happy to sow the seeds of division.

Edited August 22 by malumbu

[Rockets]

And nowt to do with this thread so why post it? Come on @malumbukeep it on topic, you have been warned sbout this before.

Edited August 22 by Rockets

[Rockets]

Some very interesting data from the Met following the recent Dulwich Village ward meeting.

Just look at the massive increase in theft from person and how that compares to neighbouring wards.

 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

You really need a hobby. This doesn't remotely suggest what we all know you're trying to suggest.

[CPR Dave]

2 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

You really need a hobby.

Said without irony?

[Rockets]

3 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

This doesn't remotely suggest what we all know you're trying to suggest.

Ha ha.. only in your world does that not validate exactly what I was saying. 

Maybe share with us how you are interpreting those numbers then....I cant wait to read what hilarious spin you try to put on this....

[ed_pete]

8 hours ago, Rockets said:

Some very interesting data from the Met following the recent Dulwich Village ward meeting.

Just look at the massive increase in theft from person and how that compares to neighbouring wards.

 

 

So why the drop in theft from vehicles ? Does that correlate to the square as well ?

[LordshipPain]

On 04/09/2025 at 21:56, ed_pete said:

So why the drop in theft from vehicles ? Does that correlate to the square as well ?

Less risk in mugging people due to non-attendance by the authorities.

[march46]

Lovely to see Dulwich Square’s bookshop, Village Books, celebrating their 100th year today. It was nice they made the most of the space outside the shop for their party, with a live band and lots more. Many happy customers!
 

[Rockets]

On 04/09/2025 at 16:59, Rockets said:

Ha ha.. only in your world does that not validate exactly what I was saying. 

Maybe share with us how you are interpreting those numbers then....I cant wait to read what hilarious spin you try to put on this....

@Earl Aelfheah....still waiting....come on give us your best shot...just look at how Dulwich Village compares to neighbouring wards the second highest levels of crime after Sydenham - and the biggest number of theft from persons of any neighbouring ward - at least twice as many as any other ward. I am glad to see the Lib Dems are bringing crime to the fore in their recent election leaflet that dropped through our door - is it true that Southwark cut Community Wardens for Dulwich as the Lib Dems suggest?

 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

Why don't you explain what you think that graph shows and how it relates in any way to the filter?

[Rockets]

What I have been saying for a long time that, within the Dulwich Village area and particularly around the LTNs there is a growing problem with certain types of crime, especially theft from person - that's the huge light blue chunk in the Met's graphs BTW. I think you tried to tell us it wasn't a growing problem. Clearly, according to the Met's own analysis, it is.

[ed_pete]

What I have been saying for a long time that, within the Dulwich Village area and particularly around the LTNs there is a shrinking problem with certain types of crime, especially theft from a motor vehicle - down two-thirds on the previous year BTW. I think you tried to tell us it wasn't a shinking problem. Clearly, according to the Met's own analysis, it is.

[first mate]

Whatever way you slice it, it does not seem the streets are 'safer' - touted as a major LTN selling point.

[Rockets]

5 hours ago, ed_pete said:

What I have been saying for a long time that, within the Dulwich Village area and particularly around the LTNs there is a shrinking problem with certain types of crime, especially theft from a motor vehicle - down two-thirds on the previous year BTW. I think you tried to tell us it wasn't a shinking problem. Clearly, according to the Met's own analysis, it is.

But theft from person is clearly not a shrinking problem is it - I think you could say that issue is growing exponentially....and that is what I have been saying - not sure I ever mentioned car crime did I?

Hurrah your car won't be broken into but you're far more likely to be mugged or robbed maybe even at knifepoint...yeah that'll make everyone feel so much safer.......

Edited Thursday at 17:27 by Rockets

[CPR Dave]

I'm guessing "ASB" excludes cyclists jumping red lights. 

[ed_pete]

So you agree then that the square has reduced theft from a vehicle crime then ?

[Rockets]

When did I ever mention theft from cars in relation to increasing crime categories?

[Earl Aelfheah]

23 hours ago, Rockets said:

What I have been saying for a long time that, within the Dulwich Village area and particularly around the LTNs there is a growing problem with certain types of crime, especially theft from person - that's the huge light blue chunk in the Met's graphs BTW. I think you tried to tell us it wasn't a growing problem. Clearly, according to the Met's own analysis, it is.

The graph does not show that.

You're posting this nonsense across multiple threads, so I'll do the same with my response.

since the filter was introduced, crime in Dulwich has fallen against background trends and in most categories, fallen in absolute terms.

Since before the filter was introduced:

• 'All crimes' have fallen
• Violent crime is down
• Robbery has fallen

Crime against the person (mainly mobile phone theft) has increased everywhere (but has risen less quickly in Dulwich than in London generally).

Overall crime rate on Calton Avenue in London near SE21 7DE is 82% lower than crime rate in London and 24% lower than national overall crime level. Violent crime rate is 85% lower than London average and 57% lower than national average.

You've offered no evidence at all that increases in phone theft are linked to the filter (introduced more than 5 years ago); They're clearly not not, as one can tell from even a cursory street level analysis.

Your claims around collisions / pedestrian safety and pollution are false. The data show the exact opposite to what you have stated, road safety has improved and pollution has fallen.

You're deliberately trying to mislead and to sow fear, in pursuit of a pathological, obsessive sense of grievance over a road layout change and some landscaping. It's very sad. I'm bored of having to correct this stuff, but it does potentially cause harm, spreading a false sense of fear and the perception that Dulwich and the square specifically as a dangerous area to be avoided. 

Edited Friday at 09:30 by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

@Earl Aelfheah absolute selective blinkered nonsense from you again - you're so predictable. The numbers are there for all to see (I do think it is interesting that after your cohorts claimed the numbers I shared from StreetScan to show increasing crime rates for certain types of crime were not correct you are now using their numbers).

The bottom line remains that those of us who live in the area know what is going on - we see it happening and read about it on local social groups. The police know what is going on and are actively speaking to residents to give them advice on how to prevent it. You, clearly, do not want to acknowledge what is going on. That's fine - that's your prerogative.

A bit like the Lime bike/e-bikes causing injuries story your cohort can deny things all you want but over time the truth will always come out. The fact the Lib Dems are actively pushing a crime problem narrative in Dulwich Village pre-election flyers suggests to me that it will become an issue at the local elections - so expect to hear more on it over the coming months. Are political parties pushing that agenda in your ward too?

[Earl Aelfheah]

40 minutes ago, Rockets said:

The numbers are there for all to see (I do think it is interesting that after your cohorts claimed the numbers I shared from StreetScan to show increasing crime rates for certain types of crime were not correct you are now using their numbers).

I literally gave you those numbers and linked you to that website. Your original claims were based on absolutely nothing. You have done what you always do. Completely made something up, demanding others disprove it and then when they do, providing data, quickly look to cherry pick and / or misrepresent that data to 'prove' something you'd already decided. It's just flooding the zone with 💩, hoping some sticks.

You have literally provided nothing to back up your claim that the filter has increased crime. Nothing. The fact that phone theft has increased in London, and (at a much slower rate) in Dulwich, does not tell you anything about a filter on Calton Avenue introduced more than 5 years ago. You know this. But you're not interested in what's true, you've just got an axe to grind and if it helps you to spread fear and misinformation, you seem to think nothing of that. As I say, it's just flooding the zone. Shame on you.

Edited Friday at 09:31 by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

2 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

The fact that phone theft has increased in London, and at a lower rate in Dulwich recently, does not tell you anything about a filter on Calton Avenue introduced more than 5 years ago.

Ha ha, what's the figure for theft from person for London then because in the last MetEngage figures comparing the last three months to the 2024 comparative 3 months theft from person increased by 180% in Dulwich Village (although let's be clear I suspect that was a one-off that high but won't do any good to the annual increase numbers).......and, as I showed you previously form the Met's own figures it has been rising every year for the last few years.....

As with so much of this stuff you can say what you want but, over time, the real story will come out and I suspect that like so many examples in the past we will be right and you will be wrong!