The newly landscaped Dulwich Square

[Earl Aelfheah]

17 hours ago, Rockets said:

Reassuring to see some think the increase in crime around the Dulwich Square area is a joking matter....

There isn’t an increase in crime around the square

[Rockets]

It's panto season @Earl Aelfheah so "oh yes there is, crimes like theft from person are on the rise!"

Ask anyone who lives in the area and they will tell you. Alleyns recently had to put a note out to warn parents about the risks posed by phone thieves on bikes targeting the area. The Calton Avenue area seems to be a mobile phone theft hotspot. 

[DulvilleRes]

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

There isn’t an increase in crime around the square

But maybe there is an increase in paranormal activity - did a poltergeist PCSO police officer knock on @Rockets door and tell him there was? Maybe it is the only explanation for a police officer no one else saw. 

[first mate]

Tiresome. This habit of obliquely calling other posters liars needs to be called out, even if done in a 'jokey'' way.

[Rockets]

Again, why does @DulvilleRes think this is a laughing matter. It's not. It's serious. People are being, often violently, robbed for their phones in the area. It is not something anyone should be joking about or using in some childish finger-pointing exercise against another poster.

If anyone subscribes to the local Met Engage update they will know how high this is on local residents' list of problems and the steps the Met are taking, and advising people on, to try and counter it.

One can only presume that @DulvilleRes has never been a victim of a phone snatch style crime as if they had one suspects they would not be joking about it. It causes real trauma to the victims and many are local school children.

So no laughing matter.

16 minutes ago, DulvilleRes said:

But maybe there is an increase in paranormal activity - did a poltergeist PCSO police officer knock on @Rockets door and tell him there was? Maybe it is the only explanation for a police officer no one else saw. 

@DulvilleRes I can actually tell you the names of the two PCSOs who knocked on our door as they are part of the PCSO Village ward team....

Edited yesterday at 08:57 by Rockets

[first mate]

DulvilleRes more or less accused Rockets of lying about PCSOs as well as crime rates in Dulwich Village many months ago. It is one thing to disagree about interpretation of data but to insist that another poster's experience is a lie should be disallowed in my view, unless the 'accuser' has absolute proof.

Accusing other posters of lying or suggesting they have mental health problems or are angry seems to be something of an MO for certain members of this forum.

[Cancerian]

Was in a shop in Herne Hill last week and overheard a woman saying she’d had her phone snatched by someone on a bike in Calton Avenue. 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

I see your unhinged, bargain basement conspiracy theories as a joking matter, @Rockets.

Edited yesterday at 15:40 by Dogkennelhillbilly

[march46]

It’s a problem across the whole of London, sadly Dulwich Village is not immune. 

2 hours ago, Cancerian said:

Was in a shop in Herne Hill last week and overheard a woman saying she’d had her phone snatched by someone on a bike in Calton Avenue. 

 

[Cancerian]

Yes I know. Was just putting on here what I’d overheard about Calton Avenue. Denmark Hill and Ruskin Park are hotspots for phone snatching recently. 

[Penguin68]

The hotspots (and indeed modus operandi and perps) do change locally, so knowing where they are currently preying on us, and how, is a useful update. 

[DulvilleRes]

It is the season for a ghost story as well as a panto @Rockets 

The irresponsible claims you have made about some rising crime wave attributed to Dulwich Square have been comprehensively debunked by facts, and I think we all owe @Earl Aelfheah and others a debt of gratitude for persistently not letting you get away with it on this and across a range of claims you make.  I wonder at what point your constant level of factual inaccuracy and misleading statements, coupled with a complete inability to ever admit you might have got it wrong, ceases to be any kind of local debate and just becomes trolling.

Your concern for mental health doesn't seem to extend to the relentless criticism extended to named individuals on these threads by yourself and others, whilst you of course dish it out from behind some online avatar. Some of the people named and shamed on these threads aren't even politicians, and it wouldn't surprise me if this disproportionate response to local issues has had life-changing consequences for those concerned. Debate on these transport threads has now been reduced to about 10 people, and at times it feels more like being on the receiving end of a political campaign being waged via another guise. No wonder few people want to engage.

[Rockets]

4 hours ago, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

I see your unhinged, bargain basement conspiracy theories as a joking matter, @Rockets.

"Unhinged"...oops, another falling foul of the forum rules perhaps? 

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, DulvilleRes said:

The irresponsible claims you have made about some rising crime wave attributed to Dulwich Square have been comprehensively debunked by facts, and I think we all owe @Earl Aelfheah and others a debt of gratitude for persistently not letting you get away with it on this and across a range of claims you make. 

@DulvilleRes the only, massive, flaw in your argument is that crimes like theft from person HAVE been increasing in the LTN area and we’re at their highest ever (I have not checked recently but will now). Local street What’s App groups are always reporting more cases to warn local residents. One of the local schools put a notice to all parents of children at the school saying thieves had been active in the area that morning and to be on high alert. PSCOs were going door to door to offer advice on how not to become a victim (of many types of crime) and said that certain types of crime were increasing as a result of the LTNs.

If you don’t think there is an issue then so be it but there is. It’s not scaremongering. Ask anyone who lives within the LTNs. Perhaps you are removed from it but some aren’t.

1 hour ago, DulvilleRes said:

Your concern for mental health doesn't seem to extend to the relentless criticism extended to named individuals on these threads by yourself and others, whilst you of course dish it out from behind some online avatar. Some of the people named and shamed on these threads aren't even politicians, and it wouldn't surprise me if this disproportionate response to local issues has had life-changing consequences for those concerned. Debate on these transport threads has now been reduced to about 10 people, and at times it feels more like being on the receiving end of a political campaign being waged via another guise. No wonder few people want to engage.

If you are referring to the Dulwich Society Transport sub-committee chair their name was perfectly good for the Dulwich Society to publish in public minutes of meetings and for her to publicise the award they received as London Cycling Campaign’s Active Travel Campaigner of the Year on their own twitter feed and for LCC to publicise it on their website.
 

I think the issue you have is that I pointed out those two publically published and available facts and you don’t like the link that has been made; that the Dulwich Society’s (somewhat controversial) transport sub-committee chair was a LCC decorated Active Travel Campaigner of the year. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

Crime is not on the rise around Calton Avenue. ‘All crime’ has actually fallen. This has already been discussed at length.

The specific crime category of ‘theft from the person’ has risen everywhere. In Dulwich however, it has risen at a slower rate than across the rest of London. Your attempt to connect a London wide issue with a 5+ year old road layout change in Dulwich is cynical.

In your fear mongering about Dulwich Square - whether it be false claims about pollution, road safety, crime, or business failure - any concern for truth and accuracy appear entirely secondary to pushing your agenda.

Your half a decade long obsession with this road layout change has in my opinion, severely clouded your judgement.

Edited 7 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

2 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

In your fear mongering about Dulwich Square - whether it be false claims about pollution, road safety, crime, or business failure - any concern for truth and accuracy appear entirely secondary to pushing your agenda.

To be fair @Earl Aelfheah it is your obsession with defending anything and everything to do with LTNs or active travel that massively clouds your judgement and blinkers what you see and read.

Certain types of crime around the LTN have increased massively since the LTN went in, at far higher rates than other parts of Dulwich or London. The data is there from the police to show it but, perhaps most importantly, for those who live within the LTN area we all can see what is happening and has happened.

Those who do not live in the area seem very keen to tell us what is happening in our backyard.

[Earl Aelfheah]

20 minutes ago, Rockets said:

Certain types of crime around the LTN have increased massively since the LTN went in, at far higher rates than other parts of Dulwich or London

This is simply untrue.

15 hours ago, Rockets said:

"Unhinged"...oops, another falling foul of the forum rules perhaps? 

When did you become the forum police? Haven't you got a history of being banned?

[Rockets]

2 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

This is simply untrue.

Not according to police data.

3 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

When did you become the forum police? Haven't you got a history of being banned?

Just trying to help @Administrator ensure posters follow the rules, especially when it comes to challenging others on their mental health. @Earl Aelfheah even you can surely admit that the use of "unhinged" is a barbed reference to mental health?

[Earl Aelfheah]

2 hours ago, Rockets said:

Not according to police data.

Yes, according to police data. You can't just make stuff up - especially when it raises the fear of crime in local people. The area is low crime and has seen falling crime since 2020 when the filter went in (not that I'm claiming any link between the two).

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

@Earl Aelfheah the fear of crime in the Calton area is not being catalysed by me but by kids on e-bikes mugging people for their mobile phones. I am not going to revisit the argument we had earlier in the year but theft from person has risen massively and was heading for the worst year on record the last time I checked.

But I really cant be bothered revisting it as it is a futile exercise. Those of us who live in the affected area hear and see what is happening and don't need others to tell us we are imagining it. 

The local PCSO team have said there is a correlation between certain types of crime increasing and the LTNs so I will take their expert opinion over anyone else's.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Rockets