The newly landscaped Dulwich Square

[Glemham]

Meanwhile whilst you are both going down a crime rabbit hole yet another shop has closed on Vanity Square. Heritage Cheese is no more and only a High Court notice about goods being secured on site remains.

Will the Dulwich Estate make any comment about the disappearance of yet another business tenant? Don’t hold your breath……..

[first mate]

@Earl Aelfheah you will continue to argue about the stats and each of us will decide whose interpretation we find more convincing.

However, you also said:

"Putting aside what a PCSO may or may not have said to Rockets,"

this is effectively calling another poster a liar. Unless you can prove it then I think you should withdraw.

@Alice and @headnun Thanks for that info. Really good to know more police to be out and about and, as said earlier, perception of crime is a thing too.

@Glenham That's a shame. How many shops have closed in the area now?

 

Edited August 5 by first mate

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

2 hours ago, Glemham said:

Meanwhile whilst you are both going down a crime rabbit hole yet another shop has closed on Vanity Square. Heritage Cheese is no more

Heritage Cheese only opened in Dulwich Village after the bottom of Calton Ave had been closed. Apparently we are abadoning not just causation but also correlation now.   https://www.thedulwichestate.org.uk/whats-happening/heritage-cheese

Presumably Rockets will be along soon to claim that LTNs cause dairy boutiques...

[Spartacus]

9 hours ago, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

Heritage Cheese only opened in Dulwich Village after the bottom of Calton Ave had been closed. Apparently we are abadoning not just causation but also correlation now.   https://www.thedulwichestate.org.uk/whats-happening/heritage-cheese

Presumably Rockets will be along soon to claim that LTNs cause dairy boutiques...

This does imply that they opened after the square was created, potentially didn't get the foot fall and passing trade and have now shut down on the square. 

Cheese shops seem to generically be a good business model and this closure potentially adds weight to previous discussions about the closure of the road impacting business and trade.

[Insuflo]

10 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

Cheese shops seem to generically be a good business model and this closure potentially adds weight to previous discussions about the closure of the road impacting business and trade.

Is this an attempt at satire? 

[Spartacus]

Not at all, drawing a potential conclusion from what has been presented that seems to support previous comments concerning impact of the square on businesses. 

You are happy to draw your own conclusion. 

Edited August 6 by Spartacus

[march46]

41 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

This does imply that they opened after the square was created, potentially didn't get the foot fall and passing trade and have now shut down on the square. 

Cheese shops seem to generically be a good business model and this closure potentially adds weight to previous discussions about the closure of the road impacting business and trade.

The word “potentially” is doing some heavy lifting here. 

[Insuflo]

5 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

Not at all, drawing a potential conclusion from what has been presented that seems to support previous comments concerning impact of the square on businesses. 

You are happy to draw your own conclusion. 

Apart from the fact that you have no idea why this business has closed, the notion that cheese shops are somehow an economic barometer belongs in the small world of Liz Truss. 
 

[first mate]

 

17 minutes ago, march46 said:

The word “potentially” is doing some heavy lifting here. 

In similar vein, elsewhere, data or reports or research, 'suggest'; 'broader trends', 'on average'. Yep, everyone is at it.

[Earl Aelfheah]

25 minutes ago, first mate said:

 

In similar vein, elsewhere, data or reports or research, 'suggest'; 'broader trends', 'on average'. Yep, everyone is at it.

Post truth nonsense here.

Edited August 6 by Earl Aelfheah

[alice]

17 hours ago, alice said:

Well, here I am and I’m going to settle the matter once and for all. apologies for cliche.  I just saw some police officers in Peckham Park and stopped to speak to them to ask if they were just there as part of their usual patrol or in response to something specific.  it was the former. One officer told me about something called Met engage which I’ve never heard of no doubt readers will have.  It’s a quick way of alerting police to concerns rather than actual crimes but it details what the concerns are in a particular area.  Because of previous posts where people were calling each other liars, I thought I’d look up Dulwich Village and see what the priorities for the police were. If you’re interested, then do so yourself. I found it interesting.

Yes, I’m quoting myself. The Dulwich Village section of Met-engage states the police priorities for the area - which include robbery especially of mobile phones and violence against women also of vulnerable car users. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

18 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

If I say that average earnings have increased as a result of a cheese shop opening, and then provide some patchy pay data for the whole of Dulwich Village, with no comparator data linking it to background trends across London or anything linking it to the cheese shop in any way, that is not evidence of my claim. It is an irrelevance. It's just making stuff up and kicking up dust in the hope that people take the use of some random numbers as 'statistic-y' / don't notice. 

hmmm...

14 hours ago, Glemham said:

Heritage Cheese is no more and only a High Court notice about goods being secured on site remains.

According to the Rockets Data Unit, average earnings across Dulwich are going to fall.

[Insuflo]

24 minutes ago, alice said:

Yes, I’m quoting myself. The Dulwich Village section of Met-engage states the police priorities for the area - which include robbery especially of mobile phones and violence against women also of vulnerable car users. 

It does not say “vulnerable car users”. It says: 

Patrolling targeted areas, highlighting vulnerable vehicles

That is very different. I presume “vulnerable vehicles” means those unsecured or likely to be targeted (spates of crimes against particular makes and models seem to occur from time to time).

https://www.metengage.co.uk/Content/LocalLookup?__RequestVerificationToken=CfDJ8Nmm_5cXbUhKrvNqLscSU1yTxHl2s2dlNuMf-9dCAUZkSFsh-PnmPvO2SmfJKmIxssNZKuC7gJPI5oM2nV7myMQndh-9-kLDg8-15S0nqYwpvs4j9I_wSNiNkjDlQG13-4yyddWQP__0OrAVYcMY2HI&Lat=51.450531&Lng=-0.0853887&lookupAddress=Dulwich+Village%2C+London%2C+UK

Edited August 6 by Insuflo

[Spartacus]

3 hours ago, Insuflo said:

Apart from the fact that you have no idea why this business has closed, the notion that cheese shops are somehow an economic barometer belongs in the small world of Liz Truss. 
 

What a random statement about Liz Truss economics.

Was this your attempt to paint a bizare picture about me to discredit my post? 

I didn't say they were an economical barometer,  your choice of words, I was simply pointing out that yet another business on the square, which in other areas would do well, has gone. Draw your own conclusions but I think personally that lack of passing trade is a big factor here. 

[Insuflo]

34 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

What a random statement about Liz Truss economics.

Was this your attempt to paint a bizare picture about me to discredit my post? 

It was a reference to a much mocked Liz Truss speech. About cheese. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

The LTN is having a big effect on pork markets.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

54 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

What a random statement about Liz Truss economics.

That. Is. A. Disgrace.

4 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Not at all, drawing a potential conclusion from what has been presented that seems to support previous comments concerning impact of the square on businesses. 

The business in question came after the junction closure, and used the cleared space for serving food and drink. 

[malumbu]

Let them eat brioche!  (Marie Antoinette's apparent comment on the poor, which she apparently never said, but that is a Lounge discussion).

[Spartacus]

26 minutes ago, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

 

The business in question came after the junction closure, and used the cleared space for serving food and drink. 

But still couldn't make it work, I think that is your point you are so clearly demonstrating hete. 

[Insuflo]

20 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

But still couldn't make it work, I think that is your point you are so clearly demonstrating hete. 

Do you actually know why the shop closed? 

[Spartacus]

Just now, Insuflo said:

Do you actually know why the shop closed? 

Do you ? 

[Insuflo]

11 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

Do you ? 

No, I do not. But I’m not speculating as to the reason, you are.

[Earl Aelfheah]

54 minutes ago, Insuflo said:

Do you actually know why the shop closed? 

When in doubt, blame the filter. We don't need evidence it's true (and any evidence to the contrary can be ignored and labelled propaganda). That's the rule right?

Edited August 6 by Earl Aelfheah

[Spartacus]

36 minutes ago, Insuflo said:

No, I do not. But I’m not speculating as to the reason, you are.

I didn't speculate to a reason, i just highlighted that yet again a business on the square couldn't make it work.

Pity as on paper it should have worked but hey ho, you feel free to sit in your bubble ignoring obvious signs that footfall and passing trade is down as a result of the road closures and the Square, especially as they aren't the first business to pull out if that area...

[Earl Aelfheah]

There are loads of new businesses in Dulwich. What evidence is there of falling footfall? There is clearly more pedestrian activity around the square than when the space was taken up by a queue of traffic.

When a new business opens up, it's not because of the square. But when it closes, it is? Explain that logic.