CPZ in Dulwich Village ward to go live on January 6

[first mate]

Or to put it another way, CPZ revenue is used to fund LTNs as well as other things. The two are interlinked, something that up until very recently you denied. Why? 

It is you that keeps mentioning a conspiracy, I haven't. Another attempt to deflect and misrepresent? 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

You didn't read my last post. Read it again.

[first mate]

Loving your attempts to rewrite your take on all this Earl. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

"Road safety and public realm improvements would include things like filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces etc."

On 20/12/2024 at 08:39, Earl Aelfheah said:

Yes, it is. If you read my previous post I have listed some of the ways it can be used. 

On 17/12/2024 at 12:13, Earl Aelfheah said:

The use of any surplus that results from parking is strictly governed by legislation and is tightly controlled. It can only be used for activities specified in Section 55 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (as amended). These activities include:

• public realm improvements
• road safety initiatives
• freedom passes for disabled people and people over 60

(👆🏾this one)

Road safety and public realm improvements would include things like filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces etc.

 

...and again, this is a thread about CPZ. Not an LTN introduced 4 years ago. Not about someone being annoyed they got caught in a bus lane. 

Edited January 3, 2025 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

4 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

"Road safety and public realm improvements would include things like filtered streets, bike lanes, expanded pedestrian spaces etc."

 

...and again, this is a thread about CPZ. Not an LTN introduced 4 years ago. Not about someone being annoyed they got caught in a bus lane. 

And again, CPZ, and LTNs are interlinked. Maybe bus lane violations also help fund LTNs?

The DV LTN has improved safety how and for who?

[Earl Aelfheah]

4 minutes ago, first mate said:

Maybe bus lane violations also help fund LTNs?

We now have multiple threads about an individual having got caught driving in a bus lane and how this is not a consequence of their actions, but somehow a Southwark Council conspiracy.

...it's rather embarassing.

[first mate]

No, that is your misrepresentation. 

Just now, first mate said:

No, that is your misrepresentation. 

Do answer my question as to how DV LTN has improved safety?

[Earl Aelfheah]

7 minutes ago, first mate said:

Do answer my question as to how DV LTN has improved safety?

I've addressed this on the LTN thread. 

[Rockets]

2 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

The council cannot introduce a CPZ for the purposes of generating income. If you think that this is what they're doing, then you should make a complaint to the Local Government & Social Care Ombudsman.

Yet any revenue surplus they do raise can be used on projects like LTNs.....hmmmmmm...seems like there might be a loophole appearing there.....do you not see the issue here? Why on earth have revenues increased so massively over the last few years from fines etc and the council seemingly trying to force revenue generating CPZs on everyone whether they want it or not?

Do you not see the disconnect from your position and the action of the council? Generating revenue from these measures seems to be a huge priority - they aren't doing that for the sake of it?

By the way does anyone know what the Environment Reserve gets spent on? That's a huge chunk of the revenue generated from CPZs/PCNs etc.

Edited January 3, 2025 by Rockets

[Earl Aelfheah]

1 hour ago, Rockets said:

By the way does anyone know what the Environment Reserve gets spent on?

I’m not sure (so stand to be corrected), but I think it’s an investment pot to fund projects tackling the impacts of climate change over the next decade or two. If you email your councillor I’m sure they could give you more info.

[first mate]

What about community and housing?

[Rockets]

If anyone has any clue what the Environment Reserve is spent on that would be good to know as £6m is a bit chunk of cash and when I looked at the full accounts for the council I could find detail on a lot of the reserves but not the environment one.

[Earl Aelfheah]

[oops, posted on wrong thread]. 

Edited January 6, 2025 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

On 03/01/2025 at 21:37, Rockets said:

If anyone has any clue what the Environment Reserve is spent on that would be good to know as £6m is a bit chunk of cash and when I looked at the full accounts for the council I could find detail on a lot of the reserves but not the environment one.

It would be interesting to learn more about this.

[Glemham]

The CPZ in the main part of Calton Avenue is now live but penalty free until 20th.  There are no markings in the road nor any kerbside signs. Just a sign fixed to the Belisha beacon at the zebra crossing close to the Woodwarde Road junction and one on a lamppost at the junction with Townley Road. See attached photos. Both could be easily missed by drivers.

It appears that parking is only allowed for one hour. No visible information about obtaining a permit. Perhaps it’s only a temporary arrangement……….

[Rockets]

Ha ha that's hilarious....only seen by people driving giraffes...

They must be putting markings down on the road surely?

[malumbu]

Contact Southwark and ask them to lower the signs including the cycle route.  If nobody offers to do this I will.

[CPR Dave]

To me it looks like those are purposely designed to catch people out.

 

[Rockets]

CPR - one wonders if some will acknowledge a clear pattern emerging here....are these just yet more council "oversights" or deliberately done for more sinister means?

 

[sandyman]

On 08/01/2025 at 20:16, Glemham said:

The CPZ in the main part of Calton Avenue is now live but penalty free until 20th.  There are no markings in the road nor any kerbside signs. Just a sign fixed to the Belisha beacon at the zebra crossing close to the Woodwarde Road junction and one on a lamppost at the junction with Townley Road. See attached photos. Both could be easily missed by drivers.

It appears that parking is only allowed for one hour. No visible information about obtaining a permit. Perhaps it’s only a temporary arrangement……….

Can someone clarify this sign please? Does it mean even with a permit you can only park for an hour or if you dont have a permit you can still park for up to an hour? I assume its the latter but then why does it say "permit holders parking only past this point"?

Edited January 10, 2025 by sandyman

[Earl Aelfheah]

Those are ridiculous. Are we sure they've finished putting the signage in, seeing as they're not enforcing it yet? 

[march46]

Presume the one on Calton is an error as it’s resident permit parking so a 1 hr max doesn’t apply.

[Rockets]

Very confusing signage - clearly for DV as all of the CPZ signs refer to the "DV" zone. 

 

To Glenham and Sandyman's point what is that sign supposed to mean:

- one hour for permit holders between those hours?

- one hour for anyone who isn't a permit holder outside those hours?

- one hour for anyone outside those times?

 

Perhaps someone should get Southwark News to take a look as the councillors do respond to them much more quickly than constituents?

I presume Cllr McAsh is the one responsible for signing this stuff off?

 

Edited January 10, 2025 by Rockets

[Moovart]

Surely resident permit holders can park at any time but what I don't understand is that if you can park for an hour during the restricted times how does that reduce parents driving to and from school to drop off and pick up children?  Or was it that local residents didn't want school staff parking in the streets all day?  And is this free but time restricted parking or will pay machines be installed?  I'm confused.

[sandyman]

6 hours ago, Rockets said:

Very confusing signage - clearly for DV as all of the CPZ signs refer to the "DV" zone. 

 

To Glenham and Sandyman's point what is that sign supposed to mean:

- one hour for permit holders between those hours?

- one hour for anyone who isn't a permit holder outside those hours?

- one hour for anyone outside those times?

 

Perhaps someone should get Southwark News to take a look as the councillors do respond to them much more quickly than constituents?

I presume Cllr McAsh is the one responsible for signing this stuff off?

 

Actually if I was to put money on it I'd bet it's a fourth option:

One hour for non permit holders within those hours (and unrestricted outside those hours).

but it is utterly confusing.

By the way, I think the signs might have been put high because when they were lower they were vandalised and this post is right by a bench for easy vandalism access.