LTN Discussion

[Bicknell]

its one thing to close roads with  support from residents and businesses . another to force it on people who dont want it. 

 

[first mate]

This is the point. We can see the effects of the erosion of democracy elsewhere in the world right now; it is disturbing to see a Labour council turn a blind eye to what a consulted majority think and instead impose the agenda it wants. The council had no mandate to make these local changes, but it has gamed the system to make them anyway.

[Jellybeanz]

On 06/02/2025 at 13:22, Earl Aelfheah said:

Annual concentrations of roadside nitrogen dioxide (NO2) almost halved in London between 2016 and 2023. And preliminary figures indicate London’s annual NO2 levels were lowest on record in 2023 – lower even than first year of COVID-19 lockdowns. So it's fairly clear that the mayors policies are having a significant impact on air quality.

Do you have links to these statistics please? The only positive stats I've seen were from lockdown, when clearly pollution decreased.

On 14/02/2025 at 07:06, Rockets said:

Is there any LTN that has majority support in its local area (and i am not talking about a single street that has the closure)? It seems like they are installed on the whims of councillors and a few vocal activist groups who are in cahoots with the council and then residents have to live with the dire displacement consequences and are then ignored and belittled by councils and the pro-LTN lobby when they dare say they may not be working.

Plus they help generate millions in fines, as per stats mentioned above. LTNs are a bad idea aside from for those who live on the roads that have been closed or cyclists.

[Earl Aelfheah]

On 01/03/2025 at 19:01, Jellybeanz said:

Do you have links to these statistics please?

https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/environment-and-climate-change-publications/air-quality-london-2016-2024 

[malumbu]

On 15/02/2025 at 09:35, first mate said:

This is the point. We can see the effects of the erosion of democracy elsewhere in the world right now; it is disturbing to see a Labour council turn a blind eye to what a consulted majority think and instead impose the agenda it wants. The council had no mandate to make these local changes, but it has gamed the system to make them anyway.

Odd confusing representative democracy with Putin invading Ukraine.  Look at any democratic organisation and they will implement policies where they don't go out to members.  Labour is broadly centre left, probably supporting the environment, active travel, workers' rights, the welfare state etc etc.  Not sure what you are expecting?   Tory boroughs/governments also do much if this, until Sunak, all Tory led governments this millennium were very supportive of active travel, Johnson introduced the ULEZ which he expected would be extended to the circulars, Tory boroughs have parking controls and road restrictions.  Five years on I doubt if the LTNs are going away.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

 

Edited March 3 by malumbu

[Earl Aelfheah]

On 01/03/2025 at 19:01, Jellybeanz said:

The only positive stats I've seen were from lockdown, when clearly pollution decreased.

I have not seen any stats showing air quality getting worse in London. Data show the exact opposite, air quality improving, both across the capital, and in SE22 specifically.

Could you perhaps provide the sources you're referring to?

Here is the official air quality monitoring data (NO2) for the local area:

SDT	Location	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021	2022	2023
139	Lamppost (2139 - L29) Grove Lane			33.2	24.1	27.5		18.6
136	Lamppost (2160 - L12) adjacent to Dog Kennel Hill School			33.8	20.2	23.9	22.3	20.1
138	Lamppost (2127 - L11) Pytchley Road			31.1	24.7	27.4	25.9	23.4
114	Lamppost No 1 Goose Green / East Dulwich Road	37.4	31.6	33	22.6	25.2	25	21.8
161	Lamppost 2120-02 adjacent to 8 East Dulwich Grove						29.2	25.3
162	On the southern downpipe at Harris East Dulwich Primary School, Lordship Lane						23	22.1
151	Junction of Townley Road & Lordship Lane Lamppost ( 2300 - 01)			28.6	18.6	22	20.1	17
97	Barry Road	37.5	37.3	32.5	24.3	26.8	24.4	23

Edited March 4 by Earl Aelfheah