Melbourne Grove South CPZ consultation

[first mate]

Just been to the Meeting at the back of the church and you can hand the consultation forms in there and talk one to one of the Councils representatives. if the majority say NO to the CPZ they assured me that it will not be put in
 

I was reminded of the observation of another local who posted a council response while the first MGS CPZ consultation was underway, above.

If the smaller, revised CPZ is implemented it will mean that the council officials were not being honest at meetings as there was a resounding majority against an ED MGS CPZ.

If, as Cllr Smith recently announced, the revised CPZ is "agreed" why have residents living in the "agreed" CPZ not been informed? This is bizarre.

[ianr]

1 hour ago, first mate said:

Just been to the Meeting at the back of the church and you can hand the consultation forms in there and talk one to one of the Councils representatives. if the majority say NO to the CPZ they assured me that it will not be put in

WHAT meeting?  WHAT consultation papers?  Why haven't you said?  What are you hiding from us? Why?

[march46]

1 hour ago, first mate said:

Just been to the Meeting at the back of the church and you can hand the consultation forms in there and talk one to one of the Councils representatives. if the majority say NO to the CPZ they assured me that it will not be put in
 

I was reminded of the observation of another local who posted a council response while the first MGS CPZ consultation was underway, above.

If the smaller, revised CPZ is implemented it will mean that the council officials were not being honest at meetings as there was a resounding majority against an ED MGS CPZ.

If, as Cllr Smith recently announced, the revised CPZ is "agreed" why have residents living in the "agreed" CPZ not been informed? This is bizarre.

Instead of posting repeatedly here why don’t you email your local councillors to ask?

[CPR Dave]

do you believe they would send an honest reply?

[first mate]

1 hour ago, ianr said:

WHAT meeting?  WHAT consultation papers?  Why haven't you said?  What are you hiding from us? Why?

This was posted by someone else on this thread, in the lead up to the consultation on the MGS CPZ earlier this summer. There has only been one consultation, with the majority resoundingly against any sort of CPZ. That is the point, council officials apparently attended meetings with the public and gave assurances there would be no CPZ if a majority was against. Despite that, after the one and only consultation Southwark then published online details of a proposed reduced CPZ "subject to statutory consultation".

There has been no further consultation but Cllr Smith has announced the reduced CPZ is now "agreed". There has been no communication with residents in the reduced CPZ area.

 

1 hour ago, march46 said:

Instead of posting repeatedly here why don’t you email your local councillors to ask?

Yes, that would suit the Council very well.  No, I prefer to share how this has all been handled. If Councillors are choosing to announce things in local magazines, without communicating with residents affected by those announcements, then I think it is fair enough to also share matters on a local forum.

Edited yesterday at 11:03 by first mate

[march46]

 

16 minutes ago, first mate said:

Yes, that would suit the Council very well.  No, I prefer to share how this has all been handled. If Councillors are choosing to announce things in local magazines, without communicating with residents affected by those announcements, then I think it is fair enough to also share matters on a local forum.

It doesn't seem to be suiting you though. You repeatedly ask what's happening next and sound very frustrated that you don't know. You could very easily get that answer from emailing your local councillor. 

[Penguin68]

19 minutes ago, march46 said:

. You could very easily get that answer from emailing your local councillor

Unless you live in the ward where one councillor is in maternity leave and the other apparently (see relevant thread) never answers. 

[first mate]

29 minutes ago, march46 said:

 

It doesn't seem to be suiting you though. You repeatedly ask what's happening next and sound very frustrated that you don't know. You could very easily get that answer from emailing your local councillor. 

Don't you think local councillors should be communicating with residents directly affected by the proposed version of a rejected CPZ, especially via statutory consultation as outlined in council documents, before announcing that it has all been "agreed" in a local magazine.

You all seem to be refusing to comment on this and prefer to deflect by suggesting I email the council. It is a red herring. If the CPZ has all been agreed then the council should be in touch with residents affected, surely you agree?

[march46]

 

10 minutes ago, first mate said:

You all seem to be refusing to comment on this and prefer to deflect by suggesting I email the council

Not deflecting, I'm trying to help you get an answer to a question you've asked here many times without a successful outcome.

[Spartacus]

1 minute ago, march46 said:

 

Not deflecting, I'm trying to help you get an answer to a question you've asked here many times without a successful outcome.

Maybe @march46 you can email the councillor with a CPZ question and post how long it takes you to get a response. If you get one then FM can correctly be called out, if you don't then you might understand their issue. 

[march46]

What? FM has a question about what the councillor has said, I suggest FM asks them. 

This forum is truly painful at times. 

Edited yesterday at 12:12 by march46

[Spartacus]

I see 

So you suggest that FM emails the councillor, which I suspect has happened but no response. 

I suggested you try to see if you get a response and you deflect again

Interesting (not) 

Maybe, if you try and get a response, you can berate FM but until then... 

[Earl Aelfheah]

I have a question for a local councillor. Anyone got any thoughts on how I get an answer? Please don't suggest asking them. 🫠

Edited yesterday at 12:48 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

The council assures locals there will be no CPZ if it is unwanted, then proposes a reduced version of the rejected CPZ " subject to statutory consultation", omits to do that or to communicate with locals affected, but then announces in an independent local community magazine that it is all "agreed".  But those of you who are LTN and CPZ supporters say ' move on, nothing to see, just ask the council'.

What I find odd is none of you that seemingly support the above have said ' that doesn't seem quite right' there is just a resounding silence and the now familiar refrain " email the council" while castigating the poster for being 'boring, tedious, blinkered, monomaniacal' or what other undermining line of character assassination they can muster. The aim is to shut it down.

[march46]

21 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

So you suggest that FM emails the councillor, which I suspect has happened but no response. 

FM has already confirmed that they haven’t asked the councillor. 

Seems they prefer to just rant here about not having the answer. 

Edited yesterday at 13:03 by march46

[first mate]

It amazes me how offensive some of you CPZ and LTN supporters are when issues you would like to be shut down just won't. With your apparent hotline to the council on road and traffic management, you are usually so happy to correct factual errors or what you state is disinformation, but on this issue your lips seem very firmly sealed.

Why are you so incredibly keen I stop posting on this? You are not forced to read any part of it if you choose not to.

[march46]

I’ve simply offered a suggestion that if you want to know what the council is doing / what the councillor meant when he said ‘agreed’ your best course of action would be to ask the councillor. 

I’d suggest it would be more effective to ask your question to the councillor. Continuing to vent your frustration here doesn’t seem to be getting you anywhere. 

Edited yesterday at 13:17 by march46

[Earl Aelfheah]

30 minutes ago, first mate said:

 But those of you who are LTN and CPZ supporters say ' move on, nothing to see, just ask the council'.

LTN and CPZ are not the same things. Roads and transport is not a football match, with 'sides'.

I have no view on the CPZ, and if what you've said is correct, then it sounds like the council may not have acted properly. Suggesting that you raising your concerns with your local councillor however, is not saying 'nothing to see', it's simply suggesting the most practical course of action. It depends if you want to actually resolve something, or just complain about something I guess. 

Edited yesterday at 13:25 by Earl Aelfheah

[Penguin68]

Council decisions such as the introduction of CPZs should be in the public domain, yet a councillor appears to have made a public statement to the press which has no available confirmation from the Council itself, in the public domain. The OP has every right to complain, publicly, about this. And to ask, publicly, what it's all about. I understand that those who have drunk deep of the council Kool Aid find this is difficult concept, but there you go. 

[first mate]

@march46Your comments are noted and it will be interesting to see how many times you repeat them. Frequently, would be my guess, simply because you have to say something that deflects from council actions, while seeming to be 'helpful'. You are usually so interested and involved in posting on council involvement on LTN and CPZ issues but on this you seem curiously disinterested. 

Annoying as it may be to you, I think there is value in letting fellow forum users know how the MGS CPZ is progressing and how the council are handling it.

[Earl Aelfheah]

9 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

Council decisions such as the introduction of CPZs should be in the public domain, yet a councillor appears to have made a public statement to the press which has no available confirmation from the Council itself, in the public domain. The OP has every right to complain, publicly, about this. And to ask, publicly, what it's all about. I understand that those who have drunk deep of the council Kool Aid find this is difficult concept, but there you go. 

He has every right to complain. Perhaps his question is purely rhetorical. If he actually wants an answer however, asking the question to the councillor directly is probably going to be more fruitful.

You can of course do both. 

 

Edited yesterday at 13:34 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

7 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

LTN and CPZ are not the same things. Roads and transport is not a football match, with 'sides'.

I have no view on the CPZ, and if what you've said is correct, then it sounds like the council may not have acted properly. Suggesting that you raising your concerns with your local councillor however, is not saying 'nothing to see', it's simply suggesting the most practical course of action. It depends if you want to actually resolve something, or just complain about something I guess. 

There is a view that some Councillors much prefer one on one emails around issues. Some would say it is a tried and trusted technique when it comes to controlling the narrative around issues they view as key or politically sensitive. So, I feel there is value in keeping all this as public as possible, especially as the revised CPZ, although allegedly "agreed" has not yet gone to statutory consultation, been implemented, or flagged to residents affected.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I don't understand that first Mate. You can do both. I can only assume you're not actually looking for an answer.

[Rockets]

12 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

Council decisions such as the introduction of CPZs should be in the public domain, yet a councillor appears to have made a public statement to the press which has no available confirmation from the Council itself, in the public domain. The OP has every right to complain, publicly, about this. And to ask, publicly, what it's all about. I understand that those who have drunk deep of the council Kool Aid find this is difficult concept, but there you go. 

And let's be honest it was the lack of appropriate process that got the LTN in West Dulwich removed so good on @first mate for trying to hold the council to account. They cannot be allowed to cut corners.

[Earl Aelfheah]

From what I can tell, he hasn't even written to them. How is he holding them to account exactly?

I mean 'well done' on posting how you're unhappy on an internet forum, but not sure that's achieving quite as much as you think.