Pavement widening outside M&S nr East Dulwich station...

[first mate]

@Malumbu

Not only 'unnecessary journeys' as you frame them, but any and all journeys.
 

It's good we can finally call it what it is -  a local war on motorists, spearheaded by our own councillor and cabinet member, Cllr McAsh.

Edited June 15 by first mate

[LurkyMcLurker]

41 minutes ago, first mate said:

@Malumbu

Not only 'unnecessary journeys' as you frame them, but any and all journeys.
 

It's good we can finally call it what it is -  a local war on motorists, spearheaded by our own councillor and cabinet member, Cllr McAsh.

"war" - Let's not be so dramatic. 

Also, can you link the discussion that you're referring to? 

[first mate]

Cllr McAsh commented on the Council's reluctance to frame its traffic management activities in that way, he mentioned there were internal sensitivities about it, but he seems happy to be much more upfront.

[Penguin68]

7 hours ago, malumbu said:

unnecessary

But this is one of those 'my journey is unnecessary to you', or rather 'your journey is unnecessary to me' moments isn't it? You have no rights whatsoever to judge the necessity of my, or indeed anyone other's journey, only your own. It is this totalitarian arrogance of the council and it's cheeleaders which annoys others. We already have laws which restrict us, often quite properly. But these are actions which further restrict us no doubt in your mind 'for our own good'. Well hang that. The council is using powers to pursue an agenda that very many did not sign up to, and don't give me nonsense about 'we elected them'. They were only once overt in their declared hatred of private motorists, and that was several elections ago. Oh, and local electors in a local election very stupidly used their vote most recently to attack a national government they didn't like. More fool them. 

[march46]

This thread, like many others seems to have gone off topic. 

[Rockets]

@Penguin68 completely agree. There is a huge level of hypocrisy from many on the pro-active travel lobby who are happy to preach to others about how they should live their lives but happy to turn a blind eye to their own indiscretions. 

Happy to tell everyone how they cargo bikes their kids to school (although they moan it tales longer to get the bike out and load the kids in that it used to to walk) and how they drive a Tesla (bought before Elon turned into a facist of course). They are less likely, of course, to talk about the 4x4 they own for trips to their 2nd house in the country due to range anxiety of the Tesla.

[malumbu]

I drove a Tesla about ten years ago, a model X or S.  Silly car, stupid acceleration, for driving around Shepherds Bush.  At the same time I test drove a Leaf, that was fun 20 mph around Pimlico in the sun smiling at people.  The best electric vehicle I tested at that time was a electric assisted pedal cycle.  It was fun, and like someone giving you a shove.  Never ridden a cargo bike. i rode a Lime bike around a car park, found it heavy and clunky but I expect that you get used to it.  I rarely drive, occasionally for leisure/holiday and occasionally to shop.  99 percent of short journeys, say up to 2 miles by foot, bike or public transport.  I'll also get the train if going distance.  Always commuted by bike.  

Edited June 15 by malumbu

[Rockets]

Thanks @malumbu.....;-)

Edited June 15 by Rockets

[tomskip]

So anyway, can you park on that new bit of pavement outside M&S or not? First few times I drove past it, there were cars on it but I thought they might have not got the memo. I drove past again very slowly the other day and there were no cars so I scanned for parking restriction signs and couldn't see any. Did I miss them? If you can't park there, what is that new bit of pavement actually for? Pedestrians are well taken care of in that area what with the station and now two pedestrian crossings. 

[Sue]

3 minutes ago, tomskip said:

So anyway, can you park on that new bit of pavement outside M&S or not? First few times I drove past it, there were cars on it but I thought they might have not got the memo. I drove past again very slowly the other day and there were no cars so I scanned for parking restriction signs and couldn't see any. Did I miss them? If you can't park there, what is that new bit of pavement actually for? Pedestrians are well taken care of in that area what with the station and now two pedestrian crossings. 

Why would you have parking restriction signs  on a pavement?!

It is quite clearly a pavement and not a road.

It was very pleasant coming off a train yesterday and walking down to a nice open pedestrian area at the bottom of the slope.

Or have I missed the point (probably) and your comment about pedestrians being well taken care of was a joke?

[march46]

No, drivers shouldn’t park there. It’s a bookable loading bay like the ones mentioned in this article. During peak footfall times the bay isn’t bookable / available - providing more space for pedestrians. 
 

Enforcement will be key. 

 

 

[spider69]

it was very pleasant coming off a train yesterday and walking down to a nice open pedestrian area at the bottom of the slope.

I seem to recall that it was alway an open pedestrian area before

[sunbob]

I witnessed something interesting in this area this afternoon.  

A large lorry (articulated cab and 3 double sets of wheels front and back) was coming from the direction of Lordship Lane and going to turn left into Railway Rise.

In order to do so,  it had to first stop on the new zebra crossing and gesticulate until enough oncoming vehicles had passed that those left (stationary) were as far back as Pret.

The lorry then pulled out onto the wrong side of the island and turned into Railway Rise. Even doing this it was only just far out enough to make the turn. 

[first mate]

@sunbob Interesting indeed. Was it a misguided decision to do all the pavement widening and road blocking in this location, just as a massive development requiring lots of heavy vehicle movement is on the cards for the very same area? Should we anticipate lots of traffic holdups and disruption because of even more limited room to manoeuvre? If so, is this just poor planning or an unintended but useful side effect, dovetailing with Cllr McAsh' stated aim to make motor vehicle journeys longer and more difficult?

Edited June 21 by first mate

[spider69]

Wonder when the tyre Shop and the computer shop will be pulled down to make more room for lorries?

[Kipper_1972]

15 hours ago, sunbob said:

A large lorry (articulated cab and 3 double sets of wheels front and back) was coming from the direction of Lordship Lane and going to turn left into Railway Rise.

in all their plans/meetings the highways department didn't have enough imagination to anticipate this