Up the reform

[malumbu]

The unnecessary austerity under the coalition, hammering public services, and then subsequent Tory governments not investing when interest rates were rock bottom screwed the country.  These were before COVID and Ukraine which the Tories used as an excuse.  There is no good reason to vote Reform; they have a platform of returning Britain to something it never was.

The left of Labour parties, IE Greens and LDs are the only sensible alternative.  

This is not letting Labour off the hook; worryingly they already seem to be veering to the right.

[Sephiroth]

Lots of good points there mal

but wasn’t it the same electorate who are now so angry that kept voting them back in?

 

for me 2015 was the pivotal moment. Pre Corbyn, but after 5 years of austerity, Cameron should never have been allowed back in 

[Sue]

On 05/05/2025 at 23:13, Twoddle said:

Buy a real PC.

If you are referring to me, I was using my mobile.

Just quoting the post I was replying to would have made no sense without showing my original post as well.

I wouldn't have been able to do that on a "real PC" either, assuming I carried one around with me everywhere.

It's nothing to do with what I'm using, it's the way the forum is set up to quote posts.

I did insert a screenshot showing the keyboard by mistake.

Edited May 7 by Sue

[Sephiroth]

13 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

Lots of good points there mal

but wasn’t it the same electorate who are now so angry that kept voting them back in?

 

for me 2015 was the pivotal moment. Pre Corbyn, but after 5 years of austerity, Cameron should never have been allowed back in 

and as luck would have it, 10th anniversary of that very vote today

 

[jazzer]

probably voting them back in cause they didn't want the alternative, which we now have and look what an utter balls up they've made in the first 9 months, a total calamity. If their aim was to "pee" off every bit of society then they have well and truly succeeded. The next General election can't come quick enough to see this lot booted out, and based on current performance, they've made it clear to the electorate that they are not to be trusted and will be in opposition for many, many, many years. 

 

Edited May 7 by jazzer

[diable rouge]

Every time I read one of Jazzers North Korea style propaganda rants, I remind myself that he thinks Kemi Badenoch is the solution...

[Sephiroth]

The first 9 months hasn't been a total calamity - not if you compare it to what came before. People have lost all sense of proportionality if they think Labour are THAT bad

But If 2015 went differently we would have avoided

Corbyn

Brexit

5 prime ministers in 6 years

 

seems like a fair trade

[jazzer]

45 minutes ago, diable rouge said:

Every time I read one of Jazzers North Korea style propaganda rants, I remind myself that he thinks Kemi Badenoch is the solution...

"North Korea style propaganda rants, I remind myself that he thinks Kemi Badenoch is the solution"

Kemi is much better than mad raving Starmer and his other two stooges Reeves whose wrecking ball tactics are causing the UK economy to go of the side of a cliff and oh what happened to Rayner, where is she exactly, as she's gone so quiet or has Starmer put her back on a short leash again. 

 

And as for North Korea, if Starmer had his way, that's exactly how we'd be treated, no freedom of speech or thought, oops, but that's what Starmer wants though isn't it 

45 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

The first 9 months hasn't been a total calamity - not if you compare it to what came before. People have lost all sense of proportionality if they think Labour are THAT bad

But If 2015 went differently we would have avoided

Corbyn

Brexit

5 prime ministers in 6 years

 

seems like a fair trade

I hate to disagree with you, no change that you, I happily disagree with you, the three stooges Starmer, Reeves and Rayner, couldn't have made more of a balls up in the first nine months even if they had where all blindfolded. 

Edited May 7 by jazzer

[Sephiroth]

"And as for North Korea, if Starmer had his way, that's exactly how we'd be treated, no freedom of speech or thought, oops, but that's what Starmer wants though isn't it "

 

completely unhinged and divorced from reality - a sure sign that jazzer has been deep-diving in all the usual rabbit-holes

[jazzer]

1 minute ago, Sephiroth said:

"And as for North Korea, if Starmer had his way, that's exactly how we'd be treated, no freedom of speech or thought, oops, but that's what Starmer wants though isn't it "

 

completely unhinged and divorced from reality - a sure sign that jazzer has been deep-diving in all the usual rabbit-holes

truth hurts eh, 

[Sephiroth]

it really doesn't - and claiming what you are saying is the "truth" makes you look crackers

[jazzer]

2 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

it really doesn't - and claiming what you are saying is the "truth" makes you look crackers

All you're doing is twisting my words and then saying it makes me look crackers. Cut the personal remarks. 

[Sephiroth]

I’m quoting you directly.  
 

if I’m twisting your words show me how?

[jazzer]

You do this to anyone who disagrees with what you say, twisting words, clever, but you'll trip up at some stage. 

[Angelina]

you're really boring - why don't you bicker privately?

 

[Sephiroth]

13 minutes ago, Angelina said:

you're really boring - why don't you bicker privately?

 

I'm not going to claim 2 old men arguing on line ISN't boring - but it's on a thread about the viability of(or otherwise) of Reform winning power in this country. If they do take power, it will because people like jazzer get away with making claims like they do without challenge

I'm challenging him, and like most reform voters, he starts crying I'm twisting his words? do YOU think I'm twisting his words? if so, how? Because it's important

if Reform do win power it won't be boring, it will be very bad for the country and I will know who to blame

[Earl Aelfheah]

On 04/05/2025 at 22:47, Cancerian said:

Calling Nigel Farage a plastic patriot is also very insulting seeing as he and the Reform Party have had a landslide victory all over England

Farage has done nothing but divide and diminish this country, all in the name of his ego and his bank balance. Brexit has made us poorer and has damaged our influence in the world. He supported Trump who is directly threatening our interests and he supported Liz Truss' disastrous budget. He has done his best to ensure our country's decline and now people too proud to admit their mistakes and the deleterious impact of UKIP / The Brexit party / Reform Ltd are again voting for him to finish the job / nail down the coffin lid. Yes, he is a plastic patriot.

Edited May 7 by Earl Aelfheah

[jazzer]

1 hour ago, Sephiroth said:

I'm not going to claim 2 old men arguing on line ISN't boring - but it's on a thread about the viability of(or otherwise) of Reform winning power in this country. If they do take power, it will because people like jazzer get away with making claims like they do without challenge

I'm challenging him, and like most reform voters, he starts crying I'm twisting his words? do YOU think I'm twisting his words? if so, how? Because it's important

if Reform do win power it won't be boring, it will be very bad for the country and I will know who to blame

i) You must think Liebour can do no wrong, can lie through their teeth and yet you appear to believe every word Starmer and his stooges utter.

ii) More assumptions made by you, well guess what you're utterly W R O N G, seems like that's your first trip, just as I predicted. 

iii) and you won't be blaming me old man.

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Farage has done nothing but divide and diminish this country, all in the name of his ego and his bank balance. Brexit has made us poorer and has damaged our influence in the world. He supported Trump who is directly threatening our interests and he supported Liz Truss' disastrous budget. He has done his best to ensure our country's decline and now people too proud to admit their mistakes and the deleterious impact of UKIP / The Brexit party / Reform Ltd are again voting for him to finish the job / nail down the coffin lid. Yes, he is a plastic patriot.

Shockingly, I actually have to agree with some of the points you've raised. 

Reform are the relics of BNP and UKIP, both detestable so add them together and you get an even worse result which is Reform that the UK can do without. 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

if Reform do win power it won't be boring, it will be very bad for the country and I will know who to blame

Who, Jazzer?

[malumbu]

Can't blame it just on Jazzer.  More than just one person to blame.  I'd start off with the Lib Dems going into coalition with the Tories.  But very much a six degrees of separation thing so we all must take a share of the blame 😔 

Edited May 8 by malumbu

[jazzer]

Wouldn't vote for farage and his lot, so don't blame me. 

[Cancerian]

Blame me then as I will be voting for the Reform Party at the next general election after being a Conservative voter for many years. 
Two tier Keir has just shot himself in the foot with his announcement about national insurance exemptions for Indian workers coming to the UK whilst he imposes the exact opposite on UK businesses.

[Sephiroth]

Tell me you don’t understand anything about anything without saying you don’t understand anything about anything 

repeating right-wing babble without any critical thought 

The Conservatives' "two-tier tax" claim over the UK-India trade deal is nonsensical.

We already have such deals with numerous countries.

It's only for some short-term workers.

It means companies aren't paying into 2 parallel social security schemes at the same time.

And the deal's reciprocal

[Sue]

2 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

Tell me you don’t understand anything about anything without saying you don’t understand anything about anything 

repeating right-wing babble without any critical thought 

Yes, and it's dangerous and worrying.

[Sephiroth]

Yep dangerous and worrying and plenty on here seem to either not grasp that or are perfectly ok with it - which is more worrying

you think cancerian or any other reform voter will be any happier if reform win? Sure, just like Brexit they will laugh at the lib-tears but as reality hits, nothing but more anger and complaints

 

And as we see with Brexit and Trump, finding out too late doesn't solve anything

 

Edited May 8 by Sephiroth