Gas works gridlock this summer

[malumbu]

And?  How do you think that will change things without a massive injection of cash??

[Spartacus]

38 minutes ago, malumbu said:

And?  How do you think that will change things without a massive injection of cash??

For what Mal ?

If our MP works with the council to spread out roadworks that aren't emergency ones then surly there isn't a cost. 

After all even these gas works aren't emergency, but planned maintenance,  the ones by ED station aren't emergency works, nor are the ones by grove tavern so I can't see a need for a massive cash injection, can you ? 

Edited June 1 by Spartacus

[malumbu]

The works will still need to be done. Whatever time of year there is some inconvenience.  And no doubt complaints on this site.  Anyway, happy to be proved wrong and await sight of Ellie's response.

Edited June 1 by malumbu

[Spartacus]

No one is disagreeing that they should be done, but not all at the same time is the ask.

Still, this is nothing compared to the chaos of the next round of works if Southwark decide to put the bus lanes in on Peckham Rye. I can just believe that won't be quick or at a time that is convenient (school summer holidays would be ideal as fewer bus commuters then) 

An old adage comes to mind, failing to plan is planning to fail 

[Nigello]

How could P Rye accommodate bus lanes? There are only two lanes - one in each direction. Part of the grassy area would need to be removed and then Tarmaced to have at least one lane extra. 

[Spartacus]

1 hour ago, Nigello said:

How could P Rye accommodate bus lanes? There are only two lanes - one in each direction. Part of the grassy area would need to be removed and then Tarmaced to have at least one lane extra. 

it was discussed here a while ago 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

11 hours ago, Nigello said:

How could P Rye accommodate bus lanes? There are only two lanes - one in each direction. Part of the grassy area would need to be removed and then Tarmaced to have at least one lane extra. 

It's just the small section of road between scylla and Nunhead Lane from memory

The bit outside the Angel Oak pub

[Sue]

19 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

It's just the small section of road between scylla and Nunhead Lane from memory

The bit outside the Angel Oak pub

When did The Rye change its name?

[Earl Aelfheah]

2 minutes ago, Sue said:

When did The Rye change its name?

A few years ago I think

[malumbu]

Rye Hotel as was. Liked it, a bit dilapidated, had charm.  Not so happy about later incarnations and the name change 

Perhaps change the title.  I'm using this route regularly and it is wrong to use the term grid lock.  I expect some with strong views aren't actually using this route.

[L_M]

back to topic: Only 11.5 weeks to go…… 😩

 

 

[malumbu]

In the great scheme of things it isn't bad, and certainly not grid lock.

[EDmummy101]

On 01/06/2025 at 11:02, malumbu said:

Good luck on that.  I expect you will get an "oh dear, sorry you live in London and there are road works fairly frequently".

I am in correspondence with her about the Government's position on Palestine.  I've decided not to raise her sister's handling of the economy. She wasn't great about improvements to the train service but very good reports on personal welfare type stuff.

Out of interest what do you expect our MP to do?  Privatise the utilities, with an injection of cash to upgrade them, and a massive local road improvement programme?  Good luck on getting that through the Chancellor.  Although I expect Farage has promised at least some of this.

All I want is for local service providers to be more joined up in their thinking and when they plan in works to consider the impact on those using buses to get to work or hospital appointments etc if they plan in simultaneous upgrade works on each of the major roads to East Dulwich (and Denmark Hill), Forest Hill and Peckham Rye - as at present all the main roads near the stations have roadworks and temporary traffic lights, with some bus stops closed too. Ellie wrote to the council and they replied to say they had thought because the works were quite a distance from each other there wouldn't be a huge impact, so I've written to ask that they consider the impact on traffic to and from each station when planning in future works. So to answer your question, I wasnt expecting the earth.. just common sense to be applied when people in companies plan these works. Hope that makes sense to everyone locally, especially in light of LTNs also affecting traffic on main roads (whether for or against everyone surely must agree they've led to more traffic on the main roads, as that's simply what happens by introducing a low traffic neighbourhood (see separate thread for LTNs).

On 01/06/2025 at 22:05, Spartacus said:

No one is disagreeing that they should be done, but not all at the same time is the ask.

Still, this is nothing compared to the chaos of the next round of works if Southwark decide to put the bus lanes in on Peckham Rye. I can just believe that won't be quick or at a time that is convenient (school summer holidays would be ideal as fewer bus commuters then) 

An old adage comes to mind, failing to plan is planning to fail 

Or indeed those planning without common sense!

Edited Friday at 07:06 by EDmummy101

[Insuflo]

17 minutes ago, EDmummy101 said:

 Hope that makes sense to everyone locally, 

Sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever. It could only make sense if we lived in a small town or village, not in one of the larger conurbations on earth.

The scheme by ED station is 2km from the South Circular work and nearly the same again from Rye Lane. If all roadworks in London had a 2km exclusion zone around them, nothing could get done.

To say that there can be no works in Peckham/ Denmark Hill/ Forest Hill because there are works in East Dulwich, imagines that London revolves around East Dulwich. If we extrapolate this policy, then if there are works in Forest Hill, there can be no works in Catford or Sydenham. If there are works in Catford, there can be none in Lewisham; gas works in Peckham would rule out water works in Nunhead, which have been delayed by resurfacing in Brockley, which was waiting on BT to finish in Ladywell. The knock-on effect would soon break London’s infrastructure.

Some works are essential, some desirable, some possibly even contentious but they will all cause disruption to some extent. Sometimes we just have to put up with it.
 

[malumbu]

Nice post.  Just a quick report that again it want gridlocked.  A few turning right up the Rye ran the red light, but that always happened.

[EDmummy101]

1 hour ago, Insuflo said:

Sorry but this makes no sense whatsoever. It could only make sense if we lived in a small town or village, not in one of the larger conurbations on earth.

The scheme by ED station is 2km from the South Circular work and nearly the same again from Rye Lane. If all roadworks in London had a 2km exclusion zone around them, nothing could get done.

To say that there can be no works in Peckham/ Denmark Hill/ Forest Hill because there are works in East Dulwich, imagines that London revolves around East Dulwich. If we extrapolate this policy, then if there are works in Forest Hill, there can be no works in Catford or Sydenham. If there are works in Catford, there can be none in Lewisham; gas works in Peckham would rule out water works in Nunhead, which have been delayed by resurfacing in Brockley, which was waiting on BT to finish in Ladywell. The knock-on effect would soon break London’s infrastructure.

Some works are essential, some desirable, some possibly even contentious but they will all cause disruption to some extent. Sometimes we just have to put up with it.
 

Really unhelpful post. I can only assume you don't have to do a school run and get to and from work on a daily basis.

Of course I'm not using the logic you claim I'm using. Ridiculous point for the sake of a point and yes we all know certain works are necessary (pavements being widened and made more cyclist friendly that's another debate).

I was simply saying PLANNED works (as these all are to my knowledge) should be staggered wherever possible; not be planned in simultaneously. 

I've just seen a sign saying yet more roadworks on Barry Road. 

Sigh.

2 minutes ago, malumbu said:

Nice post.  Just a quick report that again it want gridlocked.  A few turning right up the Rye ran the red light, but that always happened.

You don't seem to need to travel in rush hour, plus nobody expects the same traffic issues on Fridays generally as lots now work from home. Issue is early morning and early evening Mon to Thurs on the whole. Rush hour for commuters and those doing school runs or trying to get to hospital appointments etc.

Edited Friday at 09:45 by EDmummy101

[Nigello]

“Unhelpful” to what or to whom? It suggests you require any response to accommodate your views. It’s a forum, not a support group. 
Maybe the school run could be done on foot or on bicycle to be “helpful” to you and others? 

[jazzer]

2 hours ago, EDmummy101 said:

All I want is for local service providers to be more joined up in their thinking and when they plan in works to consider the impact on those using buses to get to work or hospital appointments etc if they plan in simultaneous upgrade works on each of the major roads to East Dulwich (and Denmark Hill), Forest Hill and Peckham Rye - as at present all the main roads near the stations have roadworks and temporary traffic lights, with some bus stops closed too. Ellie wrote to the council and they replied to say they had thought because the works were quite a distance from each other there wouldn't be a huge impact, so I've written to ask that they consider the impact on traffic to and from each station when planning in future works. So to answer your question, I wasnt expecting the earth.. just common sense to be applied when people in companies plan these works. Hope that makes sense to everyone locally, especially in light of LTNs also affecting traffic on main roads (whether for or against everyone surely must agree they've led to more traffic on the main roads, as that's simply what happens by introducing a low traffic neighbourhood (see separate thread for LTNs).

Or indeed those planning without common sense!

Well put points.

[Insuflo]

Does anybody absolutely have to do a school run? In private cars? And how could all planned work be staggered without having a cumulative effect, delaying everything indefinitely?
 

I’m currently retired , so don’t have to commute but I don’t have a car and use buses daily. I’ve been walking a lot lately precisely because of the delays caused by all the works and I’m resigned to having to do that all summer. It’s annoying, without doubt. But I’m not presuming that it is somebody’s fault and looking for someone or something to blame. It’s just one aspect of life in a big city. This is not Poundbury.

Edited Friday at 10:12 by Insuflo

[Spartacus]

29 minutes ago, EDmummy101 said:

I've just seen a sign saying yet more roadworks on Barry Road. 

Sigh.

Surly not, just after all the road markings on Barry Road have just been refreshed 

 Now thats the sort of joined up thinking we are discussing 

[malumbu]

12 hours ago, EDmummy101 said:

Really unhelpful post. I can only assume you don't have to do a school run and get to and from work on a daily basis.

Of course I'm not using the logic you claim I'm using. Ridiculous point for the sake of a point and yes we all know certain works are necessary (pavements being widened and made more cyclist friendly that's another debate).

I was simply saying PLANNED works (as these all are to my knowledge) should be staggered wherever possible; not be planned in simultaneously. 

I've just seen a sign saying yet more roadworks on Barry Road. 

Sigh.

You don't seem to need to travel in rush hour, plus nobody expects the same traffic issues on Fridays generally as lots now work from home. Issue is early morning and early evening Mon to Thurs on the whole. Rush hour for commuters and those doing school runs or trying to get to hospital appointments etc.

I am traveling in the rush hour.  I never did the school run as the kids walked.  Updated - accompanied until old enough to do independently.  I also took children to childminders using a bike seat, no battery in those days.

Edited Friday at 21:51 by malumbu

[LurkyMcLurker]

I feel like there's a perception of all this roadwork causing chaos all over the area, but I don't think it's the reality.

There were works at Red Post Hill for a few weeks, but that ended back in April. 
The temporary lights at ED station are gone now. I think last week?
The work at south circular seems to be set to complete soon (at least the documents from the original post state today, the 6th)

Now there's the work at Peckham Rye, but that started after Red Post Hill finished and nearer the end of the work by south circular road. ED Station progressed pretty quickly. You could see the crews working right down the road.

This seems pretty standard for a metropolitan city. I got my kid to school and myself to work each day while using public transport without the congestion becoming anything more than a mild inconvenience.

I don't know what peak efficiency looks like for roadworks across a wide area, but I feel like this wasn't wildly inefficiently or not thought through.
 

 

[Penguin68]

My problem with (all) the works is that the period of disruption is generally far longer than the lapsed time of actual work being done. Teams are not even being scheduled 9-5 five days a week, let alone late working or weekends. So the actual period of disruption to road users is much longer than it need be. Nobody suggests that work doesn't need to be done (although scheduled works could be better planned) - it's the complete disregard for the actual lapsed time of disruption which is so annoying.

[L_M]

4 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

My problem with (all) the works is that the period of disruption is generally far longer than the lapsed time of actual work being done. Teams are not even being scheduled 9-5 five days a week, let alone late working or weekends. So the actual period of disruption to road users is much longer than it need be. Nobody suggests that work doesn't need to be done (although scheduled works could be better planned) - it's the complete disregard for the actual lapsed time of disruption which is so annoying.

 

4 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

My problem with (all) the works is that the period of disruption is generally far longer than the lapsed time of actual work being done. Teams are not even being scheduled 9-5 five days a week, let alone late working or weekends. So the actual period of disruption to road users is much longer than it need be. Nobody suggests that work doesn't need to be done (although scheduled works could be better planned) - it's the complete disregard for the actual lapsed time of disruption which is so annoying.

This 

[LurkyMcLurker]

16 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

 Teams are not even being scheduled 9-5 five days a week, let alone late working or weekends. So the actual period of disruption to road users is much longer than it need be. Nobody suggests that work doesn't need to be done (although scheduled works could be better planned) - it's the complete disregard for the actual lapsed time of disruption which is so annoying.

Every additional hour worked and every additional worker employed costs more money. Especially if you start going past the workers' regularly scheduled hours.

The question then comes down to what is most important? The duration of the works vs the amount of money spent on the works.

It could probably get done faster, but the costs would probably rise outside of the budget allocated.