East Dulwich Forum Facebook

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

Was that this group he is referring to?

 

[Sue]

This East Dulwich Forum was in existence long before the ED Facebook page.

The Facebook group nicked the name, and if memory serves there was nothing that admin could do about it.

It has no connection with this forum.

Never heard of the one with Herne Hill in it though.

Edited May 26 by Sue

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

I know but the confusion is this newer version of the EDF was probably why he could keep the name since he set the group up whilst the older version of the EDF was running. 
I’m assuming he had to add on Herne Hill to get around the EDF name and reinstate his group. 

As per this: 

[alice]

So the Facebook pretender cites free speech as its usp.   
How words change their meanings

[Administrator]

In summary:

• East Dulwich Forum was founded in 2006 before Facebook existed.
• A few years ago, someone maliciously started using the East Dulwich Forum identity and created a Facebook Group of the same East Dulwich Forum name and used many of the slogans, phrases from this website.
• This person has been using their Facebook Group to promote a Cleaning and Building business they are connected with. They are using it for their own financial gain. They apparently suppress links / comments from rival trades businesses to make sure theirs is the one seen to be recommended.
• People often get confused between this website and the Facebook Group. I regularly receive sent via the 'Contact Us' page on this website asking questions about something 'on the Facebook Group' despite it being completely unconnected. Furthermore there have been times where the Facebook Group owner has made comments or decisions to damage the reputation of the East Dulwich Forum 'brand' (an example here).

I'm not a legal expert but in my opinion, the clearly amounts to maliciously 'Passing Off' as another business. Note - this is different to copyright or trademark infringement which would be difficult to claim against (more info about the differences here - its quite complex!).

Recently I submitted a complaint to Facebook to notify them of this page passing off as eastdulwichforum.co.uk. Surprisingly, it appears that this complaint was considered and as a result, they have (slightly) modified the name of their group. A small win.

 

To be honest, I wouldn't usually care about this type of thing but it was damaging the reputation of this forum. And for the record, there are many of other legitimate local Facebook Groups which I encourage people to use - ones which don't try to make a financial gain by passing off as a long running business.

 

[Kipper_1972]

it's the only FB Group I was a member of where scam messages would sit for days unmanaged

 

[Sue]

Dear oh dear.

Just reading that stuff from the "Group expert in Business news" hurts my brain.

[march46]

@Administrator seems they are still claiming to be linked to this forum. 
 

https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1AkCyCGAxg/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[Rockets]

I wonder if someone can prove that East Dulwich Mums is also a proxy for the group pretending to be East Dulwich Forum. Is someone able to name the cleaning company involved as this is pretty underhand stuff and I am not sure I would want to engage them in cleaning services.....

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

4 hours ago, Rockets said:

I wonder if someone can prove that East Dulwich Mums is also a proxy for the group pretending to be East Dulwich Forum. Is someone able to name the cleaning company involved as this is pretty underhand stuff and I am not sure I would want to engage them in cleaning services.....

The link is showing the real link to the East Dulwich Forum that Joe on here set up. 
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1DanoiLd48/?mibextid=wwXIfr

East Dulwich Mums is my group and is not a spin off from this group. I have no connection to the other EDF Facebook group and nor do I promote any cleaning services. My group is very well run thank you and your information is incorrect. 

6 hours ago, march46 said:

@Administrator seems they are still claiming to be linked to this forum. 
 

https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1AkCyCGAxg/?mibextid=wwXIfr

No, that is the new Facebook group that the admin on here has set up. 
Joe does need to turn the settings on that group to pre approval for all posts as there is a lot of posts on there that isn’t relevant. 

[Sue]

10 hours ago, Dulwich Born And Bred said:

The link is showing the real link to the East Dulwich Forum that Joe on here set up. 
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1DanoiLd48/?mibextid=wwXIfr

East Dulwich Mums is my group and is not a spin off from this group. I have no connection to the other EDF Facebook group and nor do I promote any cleaning services. My group is very well run thank you and your information is incorrect. 

No, that is the new Facebook group that the admin on here has set up. 
Joe does need to turn the settings on that group to pre approval for all posts as there is a lot of posts on there that isn’t relevant. 

Some Facebook groups I am in are, or  have become,  private groups, because there are  so many trolls on FB.

Including a group set up to discuss birds 🙄

There are probably downsides to that as the admin has to approve all prospective members, who have to agree to certain rules I think, and I'm not sure it's failsafe. It's certainly time consuming for the admin.

But probably less time consuming than having to pre approve all posts?

Also, I wonder whether it should be made clear on the "new" EDF Facebook page that the "old" one had no connection with the real EDF?

PS  Thank you Joe for all your time in doing all this, on here and on the FB one. It's much appreciated.

Edited June 3 by Sue

[Jenijenjen]

I belong to a group that went private but still the spam and irrelevant slipped through

[Sue]

3 minutes ago, Jenijenjen said:

I belong to a group that went private but still the spam and irrelevant slipped through

Then those members could just be removed by admin?

[Administrator]

16 hours ago, march46 said:

@Administrator seems they are still claiming to be linked to this forum. 
 

 

This is a new group is owned by myself. Its not the 'fake' cleaning company owned East Dulwich Forum group which has recently renamed itself.

I created this with the intention to claim our IP on Facebook and reserve the eastdulwichforum group name, rather than leave it open for someone with bad intentions to claim like before.

I am using it to promote this website and share content / interesting threads from here. Obviously it will in no way replace the website.

 

[Sue]

Why does the renamed group still mention the "old" group underneath (" Group by East Dulwich Forum") except that Dulwich has a small d, par for the course in their case.

The link just goes round in a circle.

Also East Dulwich is in much larger font than Herne Hill.

Edited June 3 by Sue

[HeadNun]

24 minutes ago, Administrator said:

This is a new group is owned by myself. Its not the 'fake' cleaning company owned East Dulwich Forum group which has recently renamed itself.

I created this with the intention to claim our IP on Facebook and reserve the eastdulwichforum group name, rather than leave it open for someone with bad intentions to claim like before.

I am using it to promote this website and share content / interesting threads from here. Obviously it will in no way replace the website.

 

Thank you, Joe, for all that you do. 

[alice]

Just looked at the Facebook site. How do I tell the difference between the two? Is it just me  that’s confused?

[Rockets]

11 hours ago, Dulwich Born And Bred said:

East Dulwich Mums is my group and is not a spin off from this group. I have no connection to the other EDF Facebook group and nor do I promote any cleaning services. My group is very well run thank you and your information is incorrect. 

Apologies @Dulwich Born And Bred this is all so confusing - I had no idea EDF now has a Facebook page.

[Sue]

42 minutes ago, alice said:

Just looked at the Facebook site. How do I tell the difference between the two? Is it just me  that’s confused?

The "new"  Facebook EDF  doesn't have Herne Hill in its name.

The one with Herne Hill in its name used to be the imposter Facebook EDF.

 

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

36 minutes ago, Rockets said:

Apologies @Dulwich Born And Bred this is all so confusing - I had no idea EDF now has a Facebook page.

The fake East Dulwich group has thousands of members and has now added Herne Hill to their title. If you look up members, the admin team will come up and it’s run by I think Brazilian  admins such as Samual Oliveira, and they own East Dulwich Cleaners and East Dulwich Builders. 

The real EDF recently set up by Joe on FB is new and members are lower and the bio states it’s connected to this group. 

 

Likewise if you check out the admin on my East Dulwich Mums, you’ll see we are not the same people that run the other groups. 
All the information is on the groups when you read the bio and check the admin list. 

2 hours ago, Sue said:

Some Facebook groups I am in are, or  have become,  private groups, because there are  so many trolls on FB.

Including a group set up to discuss birds 🙄

There are probably downsides to that as the admin has to approve all prospective members, who have to agree to certain rules I think, and I'm not sure it's failsafe. It's certainly time consuming for the admin.

But probably less time consuming than having to pre approve all posts?

Also, I wonder whether it should be made clear on the "new" EDF Facebook page that the "old" one had no connection with the real EDF?

PS  Thank you Joe for all your time in doing all this, on here and on the FB one. It's much appreciated.

My East Dulwich Mums group is private and we have three admins so we all just pop on and off the group throughout the day to approve posts and it has been working successfully since we first started the group.
We do give a lot of members pre approval who have proven to be trustworthy and genuine.

We also vet members on sign up to try and weed out the spammers. Obviously now and again one will slip through the net but for the most part having the group private and with posts all requiring approval has meant it’s pretty much well run with minimal drama.

[Administrator]

1 hour ago, Sue said:

Why does the renamed group still mention the "old" group underneath (" Group by East Dulwich Forum") except that Dulwich has a small d, par for the course in their case.

Unfortunately the cleaning company still has a Facebook page called 'East dulwich forum' which is what you are seeing here. 

Facebook Group = a place where other people can participate.

Facebook Page = a profile page for a business where only the business can post.

 

I will be disputing the name of the cleaning company's Facebook Page as well as its obviously designed to mislead people that its related to this website, but the main aim was to prevent them using 'East Dulwich Forum' as their group name, which has been somewhat achieved (even if they've just just appended '& Herne Hill' 😆)