Cllr Williams to stand down

[Sue]

26 minutes ago, jazzer said:

And a year in to labour being in office, it feels as though they are going hell for leather shafting the country every which way they can. 

Look, the Conservatives towards the end lost their way and made a right mess of things, I don;'t disagree about that, however the ship was beginning to turn. UK plc is currently like the Titanic, heading straight into an ice berg and we are about to sink when it hits it. In four year's time I dread to think what state this country will be in.  

I think this part of the discussion needs to be moved to the lounge!

It's got nothing to do with James McCash and/or his wearing of a jokey Christmas jumper!

[HeadNun]

Yeah, agreed, cos I really want to ask... has anyone seen the photo of Rachel Reeves in tears at PMQs just now?! She's toast. 

[Sue]

2 minutes ago, HeadNun said:

Yeah, agreed, cos I really want to ask... has anyone seen the photo of Rachel Reeves in tears at PMQs just now?! She's toast. 

😮

[Dulwichway]

4 minutes ago, HeadNun said:

Yeah, agreed, cos I really want to ask... has anyone seen the photo of Rachel Reeves in tears at PMQs just now?! She's toast. 

How embarrassing, pathetic isn't it.

[Sue]

10 minutes ago, Dulwichway said:

How embarrassing, pathetic isn't it.

Pathetic because ..... why?

She's not thick skinned enough for your requirements?

You have no idea what's going on for other people, personally or professionally, in the public eye or otherwise.

Strange first post.

Edited July 2 by Sue

[Rockets]

The wheels do seem to be falling off for this government very quickly and my worry is that the far-left of Labour will be licking their chops and will try to force a leadership change and all that will do is pave the way for Reform (always interesting at these times to see who is not putting themselves forward and happy to slip into the shadows from the cabinet). Scary ,scary times. Starmer has got to get a grip but his leadership and cabinet are being undermined every single day. One year in - what a mess - didn't Starmer tell us they had been preparing for 14 years for this - clearly they needed more time?

[Dulwichway]

25 minutes ago, Sue said:

Pathetic because ..... why?

She's not thick skinned enough for your requirements?

You have no idea what's going on for other people, personally or professionally, in the public eye or otherwise.

Strange first post.

Strange reply post.

Cry babies are unfit for political purpose, and should be nowhere near a Government position, especially in today's global environment! 

[HeadNun]

9 minutes ago, Dulwichway said:

Strange reply post.

Cry babies are unfit for political purpose, and should be nowhere near a Government position, especially in today's global environment! 

Harsh. Cry babies cry for no reason, she's crying cos she's clearly exhausted, she's massively ballsed things up and is being chronically briefed against by her own MPs in the press and she knows the PM - Morgan McSweeney - and his deputy - Keir Starmer - are about to hang her out to dry. 

I reckon she'll be gone by Friday. 

 

[rollflick]

Yes let's not be distracted in this thread by national goings on, as local news has taken another twist today:

https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/southwark/exclusive-southwark-labour-in-crisis-as-regional-party-orders-leadership-election-re-run-due-to-proxy-vote-rule-breach/

It's almost as if someone high up in the Labour Party is on this forum and learnt something new from this thread...

[alice]

Sarah King  🤞 

[Sue]

25 minutes ago, HeadNun said:

Harsh. Cry babies cry for no reason, she's crying cos she's clearly exhausted, she's massively ballsed things up and is being chronically briefed against by her own MPs in the press and she knows the PM - Morgan McSweeney - and his deputy - Keir Starmer - are about to hang her out to dry. 

I reckon she'll be gone by Friday. 

 

She doesn't make decisions in a vacuum.

 

[HeadNun]

14 minutes ago, Sue said:

She doesn't make decisions in a vacuum.

 

Quite. But there has to be a sacrificial lamb if the PM wants any chance of survival. 

Sorry Rolflick, I'll keep it on topic from now on. 

[Sue]

45 minutes ago, rollflick said:

Yes let's not be distracted in this thread by national goings on, as local news has taken another twist today:

https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/southwark/exclusive-southwark-labour-in-crisis-as-regional-party-orders-leadership-election-re-run-due-to-proxy-vote-rule-breach/

 

It all seems very odd.

There were observers. Did they not do their jobs properly, or what?

How come nobody noticed this breach of rules? 

[Rockets]

Clearly Labour HQ doesn't fancy having McAsh leading the council and have found a get out....a technicality that they are using to their advantage. What's that saying about reaping what you sow....I bet Cllr Williams is having a chuckle to himself right now..

The only thing you can rely on is politics is that the far-left will always self sabotage and self-destruct....

[jazzer]

 

 

 

[Insuflo]

2 hours ago, rollflick said:

Yes let's not be distracted in this thread by national goings on, as local news has taken another twist 

“A bombshell…thrown into disarray…will send shockwaves through”

Blimey. Where did the SN journo do her apprenticeship? The Daily Sketch? I thought writing like that went out with the Winter of Discontent. I believe nothing until I read it in the South London Press.

[CPR Dave]

I think it's a wonderful way to write up a very dull story about a bunch of non entities tbf.

Edited July 2 by CPR Dave

[spider69]

1 hour ago, Insuflo said:

“A bombshell…thrown into disarray…will send shockwaves through”

Blimey. Where did the SN journo do her apprenticeship? The Daily Sketch? I thought writing like that went out with the Winter of Discontent. I believe nothing until I read it in the South London Press.

You will wait a long time as it closed in May

[Insuflo]

13 minutes ago, spider69 said:

You will wait a long time as it closed in May

My spidey senses tell me sarcasm is dead.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

10 hours ago, ed_pete said:

 him a couple years ago wearing a “Fuck The Tories” Christmas Jumper. 

That jumper has a lot of sentimental value for him: Arthur Scargill knitted it using wool that Erick Honecker donated to the miners.

[Earl Aelfheah]

19 hours ago, jazzer said:

the Conservatives towards the end lost their way

Starting with Brexit, all the way through to drunken lock down parties, and then finishing on Liz Truss' 'mini budget', I would say it was fairly disastrous from start to finish.

[Rockets]

Agree but Labour made a far worse start and the wheels seem to be falling off spectacularly quickly. Whatever the reason for Reeves' tears it made the markets very jittery and now there is real doubt about how much longer she will last but Starmer cannot afford to lose her - I think they are both toast and the likes of Rayner and Streeting will be licking their chops.

A bit like what is happening with Cllr McAsh locally the internal politics of the Labour party always are the real driver of policy, direction and execution and for a government with such a huge majority to be struggling so much so early is really worrying. We should all be very scared because this is paving the way for Reform and a leadership challenge or swing to the farther-left within Labour would be an unmitigated disaster - we had another term of Boris because the country hated Corbyn and his far-left ideology and the far-left Labour may see a leadership challenge as their only feasible way to take the reigns - a bit like Cllr McAsh and his Momentum buddies.

[Sue]

23 minutes ago, Rockets said:

Agree but Labour made a far worse start and the wheels seem to be falling off spectacularly quickly. Whatever the reason for Reeves' tears it made the markets very jittery and now there is real doubt about how much longer she will last but Starmer cannot afford to lose her - I think they are both toast and the likes of Rayner and Streeting will be licking their chops.

A bit like what is happening with Cllr McAsh locally the internal politics of the Labour party always are the real driver of policy, direction and execution and for a government with such a huge majority to be struggling so much so early is really worrying. We should all be very scared because this is paving the way for Reform and a leadership challenge or swing to the farther-left within Labour would be an unmitigated disaster - we had another term of Boris because the country hated Corbyn and his far-left ideology and the far-left Labour may see a leadership challenge as their only feasible way to take the reigns - a bit like Cllr McAsh and his Momentum buddies.

The country didn't "hate Corbyn".

Labour under Corbyn got more votes than Labour under Starmer, if memory serves, and it was only due to our weird electoral system that they didn't win the previous election.

Any hatred of Corbyn was whipped up by the right wing press.

The Labour Party has completely lost its way. It doesn't seem to know what it stands for any more, and its members have deserted it in droves. Including me.

Anyway, this is probably for the lounge, not being directly relevant to the subject of the thread.

Edited July 3 by Sue

[HEC]

22 hours ago, jazzer said:

And a year in to labour being in office, it feels as though they are going hell for leather shafting the country every which way they can. 

Look, the Conservatives towards the end lost their way and made a right mess of things, I don;'t disagree about that, however the ship was beginning to turn. UK plc is currently like the Titanic, heading straight into an ice berg and we are about to sink when it hits it. In four year's time I dread to think what state this country will be in.  

The tories didn't lose their way towards the end. They destroyed the country over 14 years.

[Earl Aelfheah]

11 minutes ago, HEC said:

The tories didn't lose their way towards the end. They destroyed the country over 14 years.

100%.

Many of the problems that Labour have (after 1 year in office) are down to that 14 year legacy. They have very little room for manoeuvre. UK debt is around £2.925 trillion and the costs of borrowing are rising. The government is at the mercy of the bond markets.

Meanwhile many services are on their knees and people are demanding investment.