Application for Londis Off-Licence next to Charter East Entrance

[CP_ED]

 

There is an application for a Londis store to operate as an off-licence, selling alcohol, vapes, cigarettes and fast food takeaway next to the Charter East entrance. The proposed operating hours are daily until 1:00 AM.

 

For more details on the application, please visit:

 

https://app.southwark.gov.uk/premises/applied/886415

 

Views to be shared with Southwark Council by July 23rd via email at:

[email protected]

Edited July 23, 2025 by CP_ED
Date change

[Angelina]

presumably the only thing they would sell to the school children is fast food

 

[KalamityKel]

Bog standard application 🤷‍♀️

[Penguin68]

9 minutes ago, Angelina said:

presumably the only thing they would sell to the school children is fast food

The drink will be for the teachers, in my experience 

[Sally Eva]

controls on fast food sales near secondary schools

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/rules-fast-food-takeaways-london-schools-b1125255.html

 

[KalamityKel]

Londis isnt a take away or fast food outlet. Its simply another convenience store.

[ianr]

If you look at the application linked to in the OP, you'll see it's a Licensing Act 2003 one, in this case for the purposes of sale by retail of alcohol and for the provision of late night refreshment: "TAKEAWAY COFFEE/ HOT SNACKS 2300-0100".

IF the shop counts as a Hot Food Takeaway, then section P48 of the Southwark Plan

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-09/Southwark Plan 2022 reduced 1.pdf ,

which appears to be the latest one linked to on Southwark's site, will I presume be applied in any  planning application (Is there one?). It says:

"New hot food takeaways will only be permitted where: .....

3. The proposed location is further than 400 metres from any existing or proposed primary or secondary school’s boundary; ....."

It incorporates  policy laid down in the National Planning Policy Framework, and thence the London Plan. 

Over the years KFC, and others, have taken a  number of appeals against local planning authority decisions on Takeaways to the Planning Inspectorate.  Some have been allowed.  KFCs 'commentary on evidence contained in London Plan Topic Paper: Hot Food Takeaways', https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/nlp_ad_91.pdf may be of interest to some. I'm guessing it's referring to https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/london_plan_topic_paper_on_hot_food_takeaways.pdf of 2018, but haven't yet checked.

 

Edited July 18, 2025 by ianr

[Robert Williams]

I thought the most they sell in terms of hot food at londis is like pastries and sausage rolls and for hot drinks its like costa coffee but its always a convenience store. Doesn’t look too bad in my opinion considering that shop has been closed down ever since i moved here

Edited July 19, 2025 by Robert Williams

[ed_pete]

Is that the site that was Big Bellys at one time ?  I suspect that they have an eye on the flats that will be going up in the builders yard space as this will be right at the entrance.

[pikeyed]

1 hour ago, ed_pete said:

Is that the site that was Big Bellys at one time ?  I suspect that they have an eye on the flats that will be going up in the builders yard space as this will be right at the entrance.

That site is currently being set up as a physio. A google search suggests units 1-2 is where Drop wine bar currently is.

Edited July 19, 2025 by pikeyed
Added info

[alice]

Well, if Big bellies got permission that I can’t see why Londis won’t

[CPR Dave]

It says Units 1 and 2, 4 Melbourne Grove.

That seems to be the site of Big Bellies and the Physio, recently for sale...

https://www.loopnet.co.uk/Listing/4-Melbourne-Grove-London/32981139/

[Cameron Chiu]

I dont see a problem with this if there is a problem. Its quite further out from the charter school and its right next to where they are going to make the entrance for those student flats. If anything its better for the residents since the Mark and Son closes at 7. I’d imagine the teachers won’t let the students go into the shop after school hours anyways 

[CP_ED]

Link to petition if anyone would like to object:

Londis Off-License Petition

https://chng.it/9X4DwTDRdW

Edited July 20, 2025 by CP_ED

[march46]

Big Bellies didn’t have permission.

On 19/07/2025 at 14:16, alice said:

Well, if Big bellies got permission that I can’t see why Londis won’t

 

[paulu197]

Don't see an issue at all. Sounds like the protest is being made by friends and families of the two off licences, Morleys, pret and maxim chicken who are within 100 m of the school. Much ado about nothing. Besides if it doesn't proceed, the kids will walk a but further!!

Edited July 21, 2025 by paulu197

[maddison]

agreed, I think there's been some serious foul play when even a Nightclub doesn't even get this many objections and this application is for a tiny off-licence with alcohol being a tiny part. If anyone was bothered to go down to the area you would see that the shop is tiny! This wouldn't be rejected if there's a wine store 2 units away which looks to be triple the size of this store

[Jenijenjen]

What's with all the new posters on this thread?

[Sue]

8 minutes ago, Jenijenjen said:

What's with all the new posters on this thread?

Most of them are posting on other threads as well.

Maybe some of them have a particular interest in this topic. That isn't a problem, is it?

It's a local forum! Anyone can join it and post on it!

[Jenijenjen]

OK just seemed a bit odd

[CPR Dave]

That petition is bananas.

 

If you want a youth centre there pay the landlord the same rent a Londis would and build it yourself or shut the f**k up to be honest.

Wasting our MPs time with this trivial nonsense is appalling. If your kids are still out at 1am on a school night you've got bigger problems than vapes and booze and hot sausage rolls. 

Edited July 21, 2025 by CPR Dave

[David Peckham]

Well, quite.

Do you know where your lad's going tonight?

[HeadNun]

I'm now just following David Peckham around, posting laughing emojis on all his comments. 

 

[maddison]

Does OP know they can sell everything but alcohol even without a license?😄