Fly the flag

[Angelina]

You can read it to be that everyone who flies a flag is racist and anti all immigration if you want, but that isn’t the case and it’s a very extreme view.

It’s very dangerous to go down that road and dismiss real issues because you don’t agree with them.

The law around immigration is being amended, as it is widely known that the laws were set when immigration levels were lower, not the levels of today and the future.

 

 

[Sue]

9 hours ago, Dulwichway said:

"church parade" ? lol! religion is for the lesser minded folk. Most countries worldwide has a flag that represents them and is proudly flown, no harm it that surely? it does represent our patriotism, don't confuse it with separatism, my friends and mixed race family are angry the way the left wing media are destroying mergence.

The difficulty is that the English flag is now irretrievably (in my mind anyway)  associated with racist violent thugs.

Obviously not everyone who flies it or carries it or displays it on their clothing  is a racist violent thug, but unfortunately when I (and probably others) see it flown or worn, that is what comes to mind.

And religion is many things to many people, but to say it's for the "lesser minded" folk says more about you than about them.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sue

[Angelina]

That’s a very unhealthy view.  Particularly when the very top echelons admit that the immigration law is out of date and not relevant and is being amended as we speak.

 

 

[Sue]

50 minutes ago, Angelina said:

You can read it to be that everyone who flies a flag is racist and anti all immigration if you want, but that isn’t the case and it’s a very extreme view.

It’s very dangerous to go down that road and dismiss real issues because you don’t agree with them.

The law around immigration is being amended, as it is widely known that the laws were set when immigration levels were lower, not the levels of today and the future.

 

 

Certainly there are issues with  immigration which need to be addressed, but setting fire to buildings with immigrants in them is not the way to address them.

Many (not all) of these people are fleeing from terrible situations in their own countries, and I can't even imagine what it must be like to finally reach somewhere where they hope they will be safe only to be "greeted" with violence and hostility.

It makes me ashamed to be English, not proud.

And yes, some of these people are here illegally, some of them are criminals or perpetrate attacks on women or whatever. And are dealt with accordingly.

I read recently, and I don't know if it is true, that over 60% of the men arrested at the scene of attacks on immigrants and their temporary homes have previous convictions for  or are known to the police for domestic violence.

Maybe look at yourselves first, eh, before trying to imply that because a few  immigrants commit a crime here therefore they are all criminals and shouldn't be allowed into our country.

Why would someone fly the English flag in the present climate for any reason apart from being anti immigration? 

Just now, Angelina said:

That’s a very unhealthy view.  Particularly when the very top echelons admit that the immigration law is out of date and not relevant and is being amended as we speak.

 

 

What is a very unhealthy view? Are you replying to me?

Yes the immigration law badly needs to be amended. I completely agree.

I don't think I've said anything which implies otherwise?

[Jenijenjen]

I remember in the 70s the Union Jack was similarly appropriated by the National Front and later the British Party, I regarded it in the same way many perceive the St George's flag today. The Union Jack went through a period of rehabilitation in the 90s and probably viewed more positively by the left today.

I wonder though if the anti immigration groups who have appropriated the St George;s flag realise that St George was born in what is modern day Turkey.

[Angelina]

It's regrettable that impact of the various topics of immigration have escalated to the level that people have to protest their unhappiness and that laws have to be rewritten, and yet people complain that those protesting are racist. 

 

 

 

[Insuflo]

1 hour ago, Sue said:

I read recently, and I don't know if it is true, that over 60% of the men arrested at the scene of attacks on immigrants and their temporary homes have previous convictions for  or are known to the police for domestic violence.

I think you may have read it here:

Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse | Domestic violence | The Guardian