Fly the flag

[Sephiroth]

Oh for FFS. 

So much pussyfooting around

fly the flag if you want to, people have been doing it for centuries

but if you will not see what is going on here and now, these divorced-dad energy simpletons, their racist chants and their whole motivation being intimidation, then I can’t help you.  You are ignoring what is in front of your face 

Reason won’t work with you.  You will view the videos this week from Nuneaton and Halifax and shrug and go “unrelated”.  Because you refuse to see 

 

at the height of the British troubles in Ireland, I would wince at Irish tricolour flags after an ira atrocity.  Because Irish people could argue they weren’t related. And yet..

[MrCheeky]

7 hours ago, Angelina said:

You can read it to be that everyone who flies a flag is racist and anti all immigration if you want, but that isn’t the case and it’s a very extreme view.

It’s very dangerous to go down that road and dismiss real issues because you don’t agree with them.

The law around immigration is being amended, as it is widely known that the laws were set when immigration levels were lower, not the levels of today and the future.

 

 

there whats known as onIine gangsters none of them wouId ever say it to our faces . AII these radicaI unempIoyed ponces wanna do is stir up hate from there basements 

7 hours ago, Sue said:

The difficulty is that the English flag is now irretrievably (in my mind anyway)  associated with racist violent thugs.

Obviously not everyone who flies it or carries it or displays it on their clothing  is a racist violent thug, but unfortunately when I (and probably others) see it flown or worn, that is what comes to mind.

And religion is many things to many people, but to say it's for the "lesser minded" folk says more about you than about them.

you are whats known as a radicaI Karen ive seen you kissing ass of them on here you shouId be ashamed of yourseIf.hope you age AIone wicked person ..

[Insuflo]

9 minutes ago, MrCheeky said:

there whats known as onIine gangsters none of them wouId ever say it to our faces . AII these radicaI unempIoyed ponces wanna do is stir up hate from there basements 

you are whats known as a radicaI Karen ive seen you kissing ass of them on here you shouId be ashamed of yourseIf.hope you age AIone wicked person ..

Can we have all that again in English? And with punctuation?

[Sephiroth]

1 minute ago, Insuflo said:

Can we have all that again in English? And with punctuation?

Given mrcheeky posting record? No, no I don’t think you can 

Given what I’ve said about him, not sure why he “agreed” with my earlier post 

[Earl Aelfheah]

1 hour ago, Angelina said:

perhaps your view that everyone is demonstrating against something is skewing your perception.

 

What are they 'demonstrating' for then? 

Because they've been reported as 'anti-immigration' demonstrations. Perhaps they're not that. So what are they exactly?

2 hours ago, Angelina said:

The issue, with children starting school again, is that there is an unknown risk, and people want to know their children are safe, which they do not.

This by the way - the suggestion that children are at risk from immigrants - is the definition of xenophobia. I don't believe there is any evidence at all that people born overseas pose a particular risk to children, compared with those born in the UK. Most violence against children occurs in the home. We do know for a fact that many of those behind the 'raise the flag' campaign have histories of violence, including domestic violence.

Edited 4 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Angelina]

You can seek better understanding by following interviews with people; you may find people are quite unaffected by being labelled right wing/ racist.

you may also find that the local council is also anti the hotel use, it’s not just individuals

 

[Spartacus]

Be careful that your* post isn't akin to the next "Graham Linehan" type that breaks the camels back.

* refers to both sides of this discussion 

[Earl Aelfheah]

24 minutes ago, Angelina said:

You can seek better understanding by following interviews with people; you may find people are quite unaffected by being labelled right wing/ racist.

you may also find that the local council is also anti the hotel use, it’s not just individuals

 

I haven't suggested that everyone at these 'demonstrations' is racist (although certainly there are some people with histories of violent racism who have been involved in organising the 'raise the colours' campaign). I do think that the demonstrations are fundamentally xenophobic in nature. Clearly there is a fear that immigrants pose a particular risk to children and others. I think this is misguided and we know that some of it is being driven by misinformation, false 'research reports' and made up data (by the likes of the 'centre for migration control', a front for Reform). 

No one wants a hotel used to house asylum seekers who are being held in limbo for long periods of time. But attacking the asylum seekers and setting fire to hotels isn't making that point.

Edited 3 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Sephiroth]

Given what I’ve said about him, not sure why he “agreed” with my earlier post 

@spartacus 

noone on here is suggesting anyone is “punched in the  balls”. On here.  Like linehan has done

and he was apprehended and charged just like that labour councillor was.  So all is above board 

 

@angelina

 

im sorry but your posts are making less and less sense as the thread goes on.  Who should we be reading? What interviews specifically do you recommend?

[Insuflo]

31 minutes ago, Angelina said:

You can seek better understanding by following interviews with people; you may find people are quite unaffected by being labelled right wing/ racist.

you may also find that the local council is also anti the hotel use, it’s not just individuals

 

Try this Twitter account run by people who actually live in Epping:

https://x.com/epping4everyone?s=21&t=A-MG_WSx4sypqtpbSl-W6g

It posts an interview on BBC Radio Essex with a mother of young children who lives in a house directly opposite the Bell Hotel and her experience with these “protesters”. It’s really worth a listen.

Edited 3 hours ago by Insuflo

[Angelina]

15 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

I haven't suggested that everyone at these 'demonstrations' is racist. Certainly there are some people with histories of violent racism who have been involved in organising the 'raise the colours' campaign. I do think that many of the demonstrations are xenophobic in nature. Clearly there is a fear that immigrants pose a particular risk to children and others. I think this is misguided and we know that some of it is being driven by misinformation, false 'research reports' and made up data (by the likes of the 'centre for migration control', a front for Reform). 

No one wants a hotel used to house asylum seekers who are being held in limbo for long periods of time. But attacking the asylum seekers and setting fire to hotels isn't making that point.

Absolutely agree with you.

its a very sorry state of affairs 

[Spartacus]

13 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

@spartacus 

noone on here is suggesting anyone is “punched in the  balls”. On here.  Like linehan has done

and he was apprehended and charged just like that labour councillor was.  So all is above board

I am simply pointing out that if people aren't careful then they may type something that gets them in trouble, it wasn't a literal use of what Linehan had said but the simple fact that he was arrested for posting something and some posts in this thread are close to the edge (don't push me because....) 

[Sephiroth]

I don’t have to be careful to not get trouble

neither do you. 

someone has to go out of their way 

who on here, on either side, is close to trouble? 

[Sue]

2 hours ago, MrCheeky said:

you are whats known as a radicaI Karen ive seen you kissing ass of them on here you shouId be ashamed of yourseIf.hope you age AIone wicked person ..

???!!???!!!!

What an extraordinarily nasty post 

Could you explain your reasoning please?

Particularly the "kissing ass" part and the description of myself as a "wicked person."

Thanks.

[Sephiroth]

Sue.  You and I can, have and will argue (sometimes) but in good faith 

 

have a look at MrC’s posting history, and you’ll see there is no arguing with him

Ignore and move on 

[Sue]

4 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

Sue.  You and I can, have and will argue (sometimes) but in good faith 

 

have a look at MrC’s posting history, and you’ll see there is no arguing with him

Ignore and move on 

I know, but I was interested to see his reply.

Though that will probably be incomprehensible as well. 

[MrCheeky]

29 minutes ago, Sue said:

???!!???!!!!

What an extraordinarily nasty post 

Could you explain your reasoning please?

Particularly the "kissing ass" part and the description of myself as a "wicked person."

Thanks.

You are a nasty person onIine your posts are anti british and infIamatary if you dont Iike the United Kindon and aII the other haters Iet us no maybe we can do a gofundme ffor you and you can go eIse where and take the anTi Brits with you

3 hours ago, Insuflo said:

Can we have all that again in English? And with punctuation?

how about you come n  have a game of chess i couId expIain to you then 

[Sue]

13 minutes ago, MrCheeky said:

You are a nasty person onIine your posts are anti british and infIamatary if you dont Iike the United Kindon and aII the other haters Iet us no maybe we can do a gofundme ffor you and you can go eIse where and take the anTi Brits with you

Well, as expected you haven't actually answered my question.

Sephiroth is right, there is no point trying to discuss this with you.

Your reasoning is as bad as your spelling 🤣

[MrCheeky]

1 minute ago, Sue said:

Well, as expected you haven't actually answered my question.

Sephiroth is right, there is no point trying to discuss this with you.

Your reasoning is as bad as your spelling 🤣

no one cares wat your onIine troIIs think.sad reaIity is you hate your country  so you stay onIine hateing as you have nothing Eise in your sad onIy Iife . and now your going on BIock 

[alice]

fake photo and fake posts.

[Insuflo]

49 minutes ago, MrCheeky said:

 

how about you come n  have a game of chess i couId expIain to you then 

Not a Scrabble player, then?

[MrCheeky]

14 minutes ago, Insuflo said:

Not a Scrabble player, then?

i prefer street fight

[Insuflo]

5 minutes ago, MrCheeky said:

i prefer street fight

Ooh, Cheeky! Why do they call you Cheeky? Is it your resemblance to an arse?

[Earl Aelfheah]

23 minutes ago, MrCheeky said:

i prefer street fight

[MrCheeky]

6 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Im gonna Iet you and your bf mr Insuflo stir for awhiIe but Iike i said you wanna FAFO message me