Digital ID

[CPR Dave]

19 minutes ago, malumbu said:

And gov is proposing cards for those with no smart phones.  

Why? Why not just accept driving licence cards or passports as we do already?

Anyway this is good to know. I will get my "Digital ID" in paper form and the government can stay out of my business on my phone.

Edited 4 hours ago by CPR Dave

[Earl Aelfheah]

1 hour ago, Insuflo said:

It plays into the notion that immigration is the greatest threat facing this country and the root of all problems- it is not.

This is my main objection. I don't like the rhetoric. In terms of a 'digital ID', we already have one effectively, they're just formalising it / giving it a name. 

[malumbu]

@Insuflo

Couldn't agree more - the whole focus on immigration.  Wrote to Ellie yesterday on this saying in my peer group there are more important issues.

Don't necessarily agree on other things you have posted but this is the forum at its best having real debate 

[Sephiroth]

1 hour ago, CPR Dave said:

The other extremely inept political approach in the delivery of this policy, out of the blue, was calling it a BritCard and somehow expecting Irish citizens working in Northern Ireland to get on board with the idea. 

Yep.  Yet completely in keeping with this mad post-Brexit country 

58 minutes ago, Insuflo said:

Not if you remember the introduction of the Poll Tax. It galvanised a massive opposition, which eventually persuaded the Tories to bin Thatcher. It could be an anti-Starmer /Reeves focus within the labour movement.

Yeah but the poll tax was manifestly unfair financially where the richest millionaire paid same as a single pensioner in a one bed flat 

this id thing is just… hysterical 

[Spartacus]

I think digital id is potentially a good thing, number of reasons for that.

Eventually it will encompass services you already have from the goverment, your driving licence,  you NI number, your gov gateway (all obvious extensions) 

Services like photo card driving licences have already proved to have flaws, including Mr Smith, who looks similar to Mr Green,  passing Mr Greens test to get Mr Green a "dodgy" dtiving licence as an example. 

Digital id may also ensure only people entitled to NHS care get it and health tourists pay to use our health service. 

However, whilst I think.its a good idea, social media will ensure it is still born. Over the weekend I've seen so many anti digital id posts, including Kier as Davros leading the Labour Daleks (did make me chuckle) , comparisons to 1984 and even a song about it. Someone posted "what would happen if we all refused to sign up" and how within 31 days it would topple the government. 

Will it actually happen maybe , but I have a feeling, like most things whatever way it goes both sides will again employ project fear and misinformation. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Spartacus

[Angelina]

we need more information - the actual facts on intended use and benefits - now and in the future, otherwise we're just speculating

[David Peckham]

2 hours ago, malumbu said:

A citizen poll put it at 37 for and 32 against.

 

That's why I said 'in some form' - that figure increases to 57% when asked if they were in favour of a 'National ID Card', rather than a digital one on their phone.

That suggests a couple of things to me: firstly that the majority of people aren't mad enough to rebel over a perceived Orwellian assault on their civil liberties and, secondly, that 20% of people are worried about someone sussing that they've been looking at 'BigTits.Com' or some-such on their mobile.

[alice]

3 hours ago, malumbu said:

It will, the extent and whether it is worth it is of course another question. 

Well I say it won’t for those who work ‘ cash in hand’