The Telegraph and the other right wing media, do they hate Britain?

[malumbu]

Hadn't realised that the Panorama programme that people are up in arms about was over a year ago.  There wasn't much fuss at the time so why drag it up.  Unless you hate Britain, hate liberals, hate the BBC, want a divided country, support the most powerful person in the world despite his many failings.

The programme was clumsy, but the vast majority of us know that Trump had an influence.  So the Telegraph has played into his hands.

[HeadNun]

It doesn't matter what channel it was on, how pernicious the subject is and when it happened. Mis-representing the truth in broadcast is not only morally wrong, it's against the OFCOM code of ethics.  Everyone in the industry is trained in how not to do it, most are made to take the BBC's own 'Safeguarding the Trust' course, even if they aren't making BBC programmes. 

There wasn't much fuss at the time, because no one knew about it. 

"Unless you hate Britain, hate liberals, hate the BBC, want a divided country, support the most powerful person in the world despite his many failings". What the programme makers personally think or feel should never affect how they tell a story; to do so is deeply unprofessional and a sackable offence. 

It's the job of the BBC and of all programming to inform viewers of the facts and let them make up their own minds. Even in campaigning documentaries. 

 

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typos

[beansprout]

Point is.. top two have quit..

BBC is now what? From being well respected world wide.. not only for news, programs, no idea about pod casts..

Only thing we as a country do well currently is broadcast remembrance service….

Lets face it.. only country that I know of who can release wrong people from jail.. one gave himself up if news is to believed and the other is where? Only country I know of who actually pay people to leave, flights etc and they are back in country .. all heard via Radio 4…

 

[Sephiroth]

1 hour ago, HeadNun said:

It doesn't matter what channel it was on, how pernicious the subject is and when it happened. Mis-representing the truth in broadcast is not only morally wrong, it's against the OFCOM code of ethics.  Everyone in the industry is trained in how not to do it, most are made to take the BBC's own 'Safeguarding the Trust' course, even if they aren't making BBC programmes. 

There wasn't much fuss at the time, because no one knew about it. 

"Unless you hate Britain, hate liberals, hate the BBC, want a divided country, support the most powerful person in the world despite his many failings". What the programme makers personally think or feel should never affect how they tell a story; to do so is deeply unprofessional and a sackable offence. 

It's the job of the BBC and of all programming to inform viewers of the facts and let them make up their own minds. Even in campaigning documentaries. 

 

Counterpoint: there was zero misrepresentation of truth 

 

never mind the bbc or the uk (for now)-  his own country and government impeached him for trying to overturn an election.  What happened was unforgivable. Trump adding a few “non violent”’ legally wise words absolves him of nothing 

but back to bbc and uk.  They were correct and now we have Trump threatening to sue for a billion

have English people lost all self-respect (that question was answers 9 years ago and is repeated almost daily) 

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[ianr]

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[HeadNun]

From the BBC: "The conclusion of that deliberation is that we accept that the way the speech was edited did give the impression of a direct call for violent action. The BBC would like to apologise for that error of judgement."

What is wrong is editing someone to make him say something they didn't. 

With respect Sephiroth, this is something I know a bit about and I have encountered, over the last decade, people in programming editing contributors to make them say things they didn't, the end point being to hang them out to dry. It's happening more and more and it's my job to make sure that people on TV are not mis-represented, but shown in their true light so that viewers can make up their own minds.

You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes and how hard some us fight to keep things impartial. 

It's also worth mentioning that I have personally lost work because of Trump suing US networks, and that's one of the lesser reasons why I'd like to see him gone. 

But broadcasters have a moral obligation to tell the truth and that's the hill that most decent professionals in the industry are willing to die on. Otherwise, how can the viewing public trust anything that's beamed into their living rooms? 

[malumbu]

Friends and family in the 'States always say how wonderful it is to be in Britain and see our news coverage.  It's all partisan out there.

The BBC manages to simultaneously p off the left and the right so must be doing something right.

[Sephiroth]

With slightly less respect Headnun

I have  watched the 1 hour video - he said what he said and he did what he did. And his faux-wink wink “no violence people” fools no one but fools. Are you a fool? 
 

the bbc told the truth - and it’s a straight up lie to say otherwise. Did they edit and cut to the chase to make a point? Absolutely 

and correctly 

he was not edited to say things he didn’t say 

I cannot believe you watched the entire video and are trying to say the bbc edit somehow misrepresented what he said

and Back in the real world - did the nutters who showed up at the white house materialise because of a bbc edit

ffs - have some self respect and recognise what’s going on 

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[alice]

the same complaint was made about usa news stations 4 years ago.  its an old story. Its quite shocking how intelligent people are so easily manipulated. I

[Sephiroth]

I think some people are still entranced by x/twitter despite the muskovite shenanigans and believe what they read there 

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[HeadNun]

You don't know what you're talking about, Sephiroth, and your anger is clouding your judgement. It's all about context. And the BBC mis-represented what Trump said with that edit, plain and simple. 

 

[Sephiroth]

I’ve watched the entire video. 
how do I not know what I’m talking about?

and even if I hadn’t - the edited video shows Trump encouraging insurrection and actual insurrection happened  in actual real life 

what are you not getting?

And why are you posting that lickspittle weird video from sky news 

the constant “gotcha” (there were other words!!!!!!) isn’t  gotcha people are making out 

the 

insurrection

happened

he

didnt

comdemn

he

pardoned

them

and 

yet

you

think

the 

bbc

Are

the

bad 

guys 

(And somehow I’m the person who doesn’t know what I’m talking about) 

[HeadNun]

And this is why many people are discouraged from posting on this forum anymore. 

[Sephiroth]

Because some people have weird fake beliefs and when people point out just how fake by pointing at actual events the fake people get all huffy and say “this is why “

make your argument instead of repeating  nonsense - why am I wrong? Because what you have said doesn’t make that argument 

or

admit you might have this wrong 

Which words on my last post are false or make you not post? What is the problem ?

Someone posts: “You don't know what you're talking about, Sephiroth,” and I reply with that happened.  And this same person the responds with “this is why people don’t post on the forum anymore !”

like - they were rude  to and dismissive of me, right?  But I’m the bad guy?