The Telegraph and the other right wing media, do they hate Britain?

[Sephiroth]

Fine dude - you do you. I dont think you have the slightest interest in the BBC (whereas clearly HeadNun dos) other than its elimination.  If it made these mistakes against starmer/davey/greens whoever I doubt you would get as upset. It’s all very “bring a pen to Brexit referendum because they can rub out pencil  votes”

(“but strafe!! Dave hasn’t said any of these things on here  and if you suggest he does elsewhere you have no proof!”  This is true! And yet here we are )

I’ll ask again. Why do you think lowe said foreigner and domestic.  Instead of just “criminals”?

[CPR Dave]

You miss the point entirely. The motivations of the the BBC's victims are irrelevant.

You are advocating that their failure to be impartial is justified because you disagree politically with the people they are inaccurate about. This is the whole problem. 

They don't make these "mistakes" with Starmer / the Greens / Davey because they agree with everything those people say. 

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[Sephiroth]

“You are advocating that their failure to be impartial is justified because you disagree politically with the people they are inaccurate about. ”

im arguing no such thing.  I saw lowe’s comments misreported by several news sources and then in saw the corrections and apologies roll in.  Correctly 

I think you will find everyone gets misreported.  Pretty frequently. 
 

but whereas I think Badenoch is as mad as a box of frogs and a bad leader of Tories or starmer is not up to the job of leading the Labour party  I think they both fit under the “norms” of political life and they tend to run with the punches a bit more 

Trump and Lowe are not just people I disagree with.  They are  fundamentally anti-democratic, racist pathetic men who should have no proximity to power - they also should not be misreported.  But they do have thinner skin  (something they share with say, Corbyn) 

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[CPR Dave]

Whatever you think about Trump or Lowe or any other politician is entirely irrelevant to this topic. 

You don't need to keep bringing up their politics or how much you hate them because it's just not pertinent to this discussion. 

[Sephiroth]

(Looks at title of thread)

[CPR Dave]

Yes, your name and political views aren't mentioned there, you see.

But what the title of the thread does refer to is a report in the Telegraph (and other right wing and, actually, left wing media) on an internal BBC memo that was considered by the BBC board on 17 October 2025 and which was so devastating the Director General himself considered he should resign.

[HeadNun]

30 minutes ago, CPR Dave said:

You miss the point entirely. The motivations of the the BBC's victims are irrelevant.

You are advocating that their failure to be impartial is justified because you disagree politically with the people they are inaccurate about. This is the whole problem. 

They don't make these "mistakes" with Starmer / the Greens / Davey because they agree with everything those people say. 

I agree with this, I'm afraid. 

I see it every day within the industry - a lot of it is to do with the fact that the people working in it are younger now and don't realise how much they're being subconsciously indoctrinated by certain forces (social media and group-think), so they're now pathologically incapable of objectivity. Also, they don't read books, pick up the phone to experts, or generally know how to research properly. 

On a lot of documentaries I've worked on, I've been leant on hard to peddle narratives that are not only heavily biased, but often outright inaccurate, and I've fought back where I can. It's really depressing, 

I'd like to think that, at the BBC, I'd be immune from these influences, and allowed to project a 360 view, but it's sadly  not the case. You'd also be surprised at how toothless the BBC can be when presented with something that's irrefutable but could, say, upset Murdoch or the DM... 

Hands up, I'm guilty of platforming extreme right-wingers, misogynists, anti-abortionists, racists, anarchists, pro gun lobbyists, rape-apologists... you name it, I'm all for putting them in a programme. Even though I deplore what they stand for, it's important to me to have a counter-view, and they almost always hang themselves.  (Job done.) 

It's funny that certain people are up in arms about Rockets posting 'misinformation' in the Traffic threads, but  seem OK with it in broadcast, as long as it aligns with their views. You have to ask yourselves, what is it that you really want? If it's an echo chamber then just watch Fox News or CNN, however you lean. But then what's the point of it all? I fear the ship's sailed, so I don't know why I bother. 

[Sephiroth]

Mad that on a thread about the telegraph (and are we saying they  are a paragon of reporting? Are we?) it just happens to be the bbc and only the bbc copping the flak

headnun - I’m not sure your point about despicable people “hanging themselves” holds up in a world where despicable people appear to be taking over in so many places 

for too long, these people have been given equal airtime to normal people, creating a false equivalence - the result being a lot of people seem to think “well if one person thinks smoking is bad for you and one person thinks it’s good for you, who am I to say who is right and wrong”

 

 

 

[HeadNun]

I don't think anyone here is claiming the Torygraph is the paragon of good reporting, or impartiality. I was referring to media organisations across the spectrum, and I opened it wide up, way beyond the BBC. 

But, to your point, if you're making a programme about abortion, say, you're not going to interview the man/woman on the street with a moderate view, you're always going to go to the people at the extreme ends, that's the point of the exercise, right? And most people watching innately know what's objectively right and wrong, because mainly they're decent people who've had the privilege of growing up in a liberal, free-thinking, tolerant democracy. 

There have always been despicable people, and there always will be. Things feel worse at the moment because of the immediacy of media, but maybe they aren't. One day, Trump will be a blip in history and everyone will be consumed with the next big problem. Probably a genocidal robot.