The Telegraph and the other right wing media, do they hate Britain?

[Sephiroth]

Fine dude - you do you. I dont think you have the slightest interest in the BBC (whereas clearly HeadNun dos) other than its elimination.  If it made these mistakes against starmer/davey/greens whoever I doubt you would get as upset. It’s all very “bring a pen to Brexit referendum because they can rub out pencil  votes”

(“but strafe!! Dave hasn’t said any of these things on here  and if you suggest he does elsewhere you have no proof!”  This is true! And yet here we are )

I’ll ask again. Why do you think lowe said foreigner and domestic.  Instead of just “criminals”?

[CPR Dave]

You miss the point entirely. The motivations of the the BBC's victims are irrelevant.

You are advocating that their failure to be impartial is justified because you disagree politically with the people they are inaccurate about. This is the whole problem. 

They don't make these "mistakes" with Starmer / the Greens / Davey because they agree with everything those people say. 

Edited November 13 by CPR Dave

[Sephiroth]

“You are advocating that their failure to be impartial is justified because you disagree politically with the people they are inaccurate about. ”

im arguing no such thing.  I saw lowe’s comments misreported by several news sources and then in saw the corrections and apologies roll in.  Correctly 

I think you will find everyone gets misreported.  Pretty frequently. 
 

but whereas I think Badenoch is as mad as a box of frogs and a bad leader of Tories or starmer is not up to the job of leading the Labour party  I think they both fit under the “norms” of political life and they tend to run with the punches a bit more 

Trump and Lowe are not just people I disagree with.  They are  fundamentally anti-democratic, racist pathetic men who should have no proximity to power - they also should not be misreported.  But they do have thinner skin  (something they share with say, Corbyn) 

Edited November 13 by Sephiroth

[CPR Dave]

Whatever you think about Trump or Lowe or any other politician is entirely irrelevant to this topic. 

You don't need to keep bringing up their politics or how much you hate them because it's just not pertinent to this discussion. 

[Sephiroth]

(Looks at title of thread)

[CPR Dave]

Yes, your name and political views aren't mentioned there, you see.

But what the title of the thread does refer to is a report in the Telegraph (and other right wing and, actually, left wing media) on an internal BBC memo that was considered by the BBC board on 17 October 2025 and which was so devastating the Director General himself considered he should resign.

[HeadNun]

14 hours ago, CPR Dave said:

You miss the point entirely. The motivations of the the BBC's victims are irrelevant.

You are advocating that their failure to be impartial is justified because you disagree politically with the people they are inaccurate about. This is the whole problem. 

They don't make these "mistakes" with Starmer / the Greens / Davey because they agree with everything those people say. 

I agree with this, I'm afraid. 

It's funny that certain people are up in arms about Rockets posting 'misinformation' in the Traffic threads, but  seem OK with it in broadcast, as long as it aligns with their views. You have to ask yourselves, what is it that you really want? If it's an echo chamber then just watch Fox News or CNN, however you lean. But then what's the point of it all? 

Edited November 14 by HeadNun

[Sephiroth]

Mad that on a thread about the telegraph (and are we saying they  are a paragon of reporting? Are we?) it just happens to be the bbc and only the bbc copping the flak

headnun - I’m not sure your point about despicable people “hanging themselves” holds up in a world where despicable people appear to be taking over in so many places 

for too long, these people have been given equal airtime to normal people, creating a false equivalence - the result being a lot of people seem to think “well if one person thinks smoking is bad for you and one person thinks it’s good for you, who am I to say who is right and wrong”

 

 

 

[HeadNun]

I don't think anyone here is claiming the Torygraph is the paragon of good reporting, or impartiality. But the BBC should be

 

Edited November 14 by HeadNun

[malumbu]

6 hours ago, HeadNun said:

 

Secondly, the BBC isn't meant to be centrist - it's meant to be impartial, there's a difference. The fact that you don't seem to know the difference says it all, really. 

 

Well apolitical if that is an OK word for you.  Sorry if my choice of words was incorrect.  But on my original point if it wasn't for the Telegraph dragging this up, and yes they do have an agenda, an no they are not apolitical/impartial whatever, we;d be none the wiser.

But as it made no difference to Trump's election campaign that why would he have a case in the American courts?

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the programme

[malumbu]

This is the right sort of response from the BBC (Friday night comedy).  Well done.  Please listen before commenting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0mfx7h4

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

I think we have lost all perspective - The BBC clearly misquoted Trump (which is obviously wrong), in a programme that broadly gave an accurate account of what happened on January 6th - that he inspired the attack on the Capitol. His speech did repeatedly call on people to fight. He repeatedly claimed that the election had been stolen. He has since pardoned many of those involved in that violence.

The 'journalist' at the Telegraph who 'broke' this 'story', more than a year after the Panorama documentary aired, also misquoted Trump's speech and gave a false impression of what was actually said. In both the case of the BBC and the Telegraph, the editing was misleading and sloppy.

In my opinion however, the editing of the speech by the Telegraph is actually more misleading than the BBC's. The jist of the speech was not one calling for calm, but one calling for supporters to fight: "...fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Trump used the term "fight" twenty times, and the term "peacefully" just once. During Trump's speech, his supporters chanted "Take the Capitol", "Invade the Capitol", "Storm the Capitol" and "Fight for Trump".

The Telegraph have not acknowledged their misleading editing / misquote of course. Trump has escaped punishment for his role in a violent insurrection. Many of the rioters who stormed the Capital have been let off / pardoned.

The only people to have taken responsibility for anything, or to have faced any consequences for their behaviour, are the BBC. The BBC have apologised and both the BBC Director General and the News CEO have lost their jobs. They (we) also face a 1 billion dollar law suit from a corrupt, criminal, President (an unprecedented act from the supposed 'defender of free speech / the free world'). The idea that the BBC's errors are being 'swept under the carpet' is self evidently nonsense.

It is very clear that the Telegraph would love to end the BBC, as would the Times etc. They are not motivated by the national interest, or a quest for truth (neither is Trump - a firehose of BS).

For Trump to be suing any media organisation as the sitting president of the United states, (let along a publicly owned UK broadcaster - effectively, the British taxpayer) is outrageous. That the whole country isn't telling him exactly where to go, shows a distinct lack of patriotism in my opinion. 

Edited yesterday at 15:40 by Earl Aelfheah

[malumbu]

I think to be fair you have to say that Trump misquoted too.  A simple mistake, we all make them.  I am always misquoting the Saudi Crown Prince, and our intelligent services.

A bit like the Father Ted sketch of the sarcastic priest in Father Jack's dirty laundry trunk

https://fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/Father_Jessup

Except Father Ted is fiction, and was a hilarious programme.  What Trump said yesterday, in response to the state execution of a legal resident of the US, was not funny, and rather disgusting.

 

Edited yesterday at 16:49 by malumbu

[Blah Blah]

2 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

I think we have lost all perspective - The BBC clearly misquoted Trump (which is obviously wrong), in a programme that broadly gave an accurate account of what happened on January 6th - that he inspired the attack on the Capitol. His speech did repeatedly call on people to fight. He repeatedly claimed that the election had been stolen. He has since pardoned many of those involved in that violence.

The 'journalist' at the Telegraph who 'broke' this 'story', more than a year after the Panorama documentary aired, also misquoted Trump's speech and gave a false impression of what was actually said. In both the case of the BBC and the Telegraph, the editing was misleading and sloppy.

In my opinion however, the editing of the speech by the Telegraph is actually more misleading than the BBC's. The jist of the speech was not one calling for calm, but one calling for supporters to fight: "...fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Trump used the term "fight" twenty times, and the term "peacefully" just once. During Trump's speech, his supporters chanted "Take the Capitol", "Invade the Capitol", "Storm the Capitol" and "Fight for Trump".

The Telegraph have not acknowledged their misleading editing / misquote of course. Trump has escaped punishment for his role in a violent insurrection. Many of the rioters who stormed the Capital have been let off / pardoned.

The only people to have taken responsibility for anything, or to have faced any consequences for their behaviour, are the BBC. The BBC have apologised and both the BBC Director General and the News CEO have lost their jobs. They (we) also face a 1 billion dollar law suit from a corrupt, criminal, President (an unprecedented act from the supposed 'defender of free speech / the free world'). The idea that the BBC's errors are being 'swept under the carpet' is self evidently nonsense.

It is very clear that the Telegraph would love to end the BBC, as would the Times etc. They are not motivated by the national interest, or a quest for truth (neither is Trump - a firehose of BS).

For Trump to be suing any media organisation as the sitting president of the United states, (let along a publicly owned UK broadcaster - effectively, the British taxpayer) is outrageous. That the whole country isn't telling him exactly where to go, shows a distinct lack of patriotism in my opinion. 

100% agree and eloquently put. Trump's lawsuit will go nowhere. He can't sue in the UK as he is out of time and the bbc would have a case to countersue given all the times he has lied about the BBC. A court in Florida will have no jurisdiction in the UK and he would still have to prove malice and reputational damage. Well he won the elction so there's no argument on damage there. The program was not broadcast in the US, so very few if any people saw it. His entire speech is readily available to view elsewhere anyway. And on reputation, does he really want all the facts dragged out as you have listed them above? In what world does Trump thinks that leaves him with a good reputation that someone else could damage? It will go nowhere, like so many of his other lawsuits and court actions. The BBC should hold firm.

A more curious question though is why the Telegraph waited until now to do their predictable mischief?

 

1 hour ago, malumbu said:

I think to be fair you have to say that Trump misquoted too.  A simple mistake, we all make them.  I am always misquoting the Saudi Crown Prince, and our intelligent services.

A bit like the Father Ted sketch of the sarcastic priest in Father Jack's dirty laundry trunk

https://fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/Father_Jessup

Except Father Ted is fiction, and was a hilarious programme.  What Trump said yesterday, in response to the state execution of a legal resident of the US, was not funny, and rather disgusting.

 

Agreed. To downplay the state murder of a journalist, in an embassy on foreign soil of all places, because he was 'not liked' by a lot of people, is just ludicrous and offensive. Compare that to his narrative around the murder of Charlie Kirk, who was also not liked by a lot of people. Trump is playing his guest as always, but it shows just how morally spineless he really is. 

[Sephiroth]

4 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

I think we have lost all perspective - The BBC clearly misquoted Trump (which is obviously wrong), in a programme that broadly gave an accurate account of what happened on January 6th - that he inspired the attack on the Capitol. His speech did repeatedly call on people to fight. He repeatedly claimed that the election had been stolen. He has since pardoned many of those involved in that violence.

The 'journalist' at the Telegraph who 'broke' this 'story', more than a year after the Panorama documentary aired, also misquoted Trump's speech and gave a false impression of what was actually said. In both the case of the BBC and the Telegraph, the editing was misleading and sloppy.

In my opinion however, the editing of the speech by the Telegraph is actually more misleading than the BBC's. The jist of the speech was not one calling for calm, but one calling for supporters to fight: "...fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Trump used the term "fight" twenty times, and the term "peacefully" just once. During Trump's speech, his supporters chanted "Take the Capitol", "Invade the Capitol", "Storm the Capitol" and "Fight for Trump".

The Telegraph have not acknowledged their misleading editing / misquote of course. Trump has escaped punishment for his role in a violent insurrection. Many of the rioters who stormed the Capital have been let off / pardoned.

The only people to have taken responsibility for anything, or to have faced any consequences for their behaviour, are the BBC. The BBC have apologised and both the BBC Director General and the News CEO have lost their jobs. They (we) also face a 1 billion dollar law suit from a corrupt, criminal, President (an unprecedented act from the supposed 'defender of free speech / the free world'). The idea that the BBC's errors are being 'swept under the carpet' is self evidently nonsense.

It is very clear that the Telegraph would love to end the BBC, as would the Times etc. They are not motivated by the national interest, or a quest for truth (neither is Trump - a firehose of BS).

For Trump to be suing any media organisation as the sitting president of the United states, (let along a publicly owned UK broadcaster - effectively, the British taxpayer) is outrageous. That the whole country isn't telling him exactly where to go, shows a distinct lack of patriotism in my opinion. 

Near perfect encapsulation. 
 

Kudos earl 

[CPR Dave]

"His speech did repeatedly call on people to fight."

 

If that were true there would have been no need for the BBC to splice together two sections of his speech that were uttered 53 minutes apart.

They could have just used a clip from one of the times he actually said it. If it were true.

[malumbu]

Saying the election had been stolen was pretty provocative wouldn't you say?

Pardoning the rioters would suggest that he agreed with them.  Wouldn't you say?

Being an apologist for leaders of a country who execute political enemies, is a sad reflection of civilisation.  Wouldn't you say?

Whether the above stands up in a court of law is another question but surely it is obvious to most of us.

[CPR Dave]

These are the times he used the word "fight", in context.

And Rudy [Giuliani], you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican Party. He’s got guts. He fights. He fights, and I’ll tell you.

 

...

For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans, and that’s what they are. There’s so many weak Republicans. We have great ones, Jim Jordan, and some of these guys. They’re out there fighting. The House guys are fighting, but it’s incredible.

...

Did you see the other day where Joe Biden said, “I want to get rid of the America First policy”? What’s that all about, get rid of -- how do you say, “I want to get rid of America First”? Even if you’re going to do it, don’t talk about it, right? Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through, and you have to get your people to fight. And if they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.

...

Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we’re going to have to fight much harder, and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us.

...

And we were going to sit home and watch a big victory. And everybody had us down for a victory. It was going to be great. And now we’re out here fighting.

...

[ I GUESS THE BBC REALLY COULDN'T USE THIS ONE:]

The American people do not believe the corrupt fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation. But it used to be that they’d argue with me, I’d fight. So I’d fight, they’d fight. I’d fight, they’d fight. Boop-boop. You’d believe me, you’d believe them. Somebody comes out. You know. They had their point of view, I had my point of view. But you’d have an argument. Now what they do is they go silent. It’s called suppression. And that’s what happens in a communist country. That’s what they do. They suppress. You don’t fight with them anymore, unless it’s a bad story.

...

With your help over the last four years, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country and nobody even challenges that. I say that over and over, and I never get challenged by the fake news, and they challenge almost everything we say. But our fight against the big donors, big media, big tech and others is just getting started.

...

Our brightest days are before us. Our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

[malumbu]

What a load of Bollixing nonsense.

I saw Corbyn once speak as a back bencher.  I doubt whether he would have made a credible PM, let alone a leader of a mainstream political party, but he could speak very well.

I haven't a clue what the quotes above are about.

[CPR Dave]

1 hour ago, malumbu said:

 

I haven't a clue what the quotes above are about.

Exactly the point!!!