Did Dulwich College tolerate pupils' bigotry and racism...?

[Penguin68]

44 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

An example?

If I believe something to be a libel I would hardly repeat it. Would you? 

[DulvilleRes]

In addition to what are facts, libel and defamation laws also have a number of built-in protections for free speech, such as honestly held opinion and public interest considerations. Perhaps posters should actually try and get an understanding of the law before accusing people of breaking it. 

[malumbu]

4 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

If I believe something to be a libel I would hardly repeat it. Would you? 

Why are you defending Nige?  I am sure, if he didn't say these things, he is a big boy and will take action.  His mate Don can give him advice.

If you have an issue with what people post, you can complain to Admin direct.  

[Earl Aelfheah]

On 22/11/2025 at 08:06, Penguin68 said:

If I believe something to be a libel I would hardly repeat it. Would you? 

There’s no libel

Edited 2 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Penguin68]

4 hours ago, malumbu said:

Why are you defending Nige?

I'm not, I'm defending this site. Litigious individuals, and it's now a fashion, can make publishers lives horrid. Or do you want the site closed down? 

[ianr]

A website operator does have a defence available to them personally, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/section/5, against a complaint of a defamation posted by someone else on their website.  They're required to deal with the alleged defamation by acting in accordance  with the regulations  at https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2013/9780111104620/pdfs/ukdsi_9780111104620_en.pdf.

There's an Explanatory Note at the end of the regulations, that provides a  plainer language summary of them.

Edited Saturday at 18:44 by ianr

[Sue]

This is absolutely shocking.

In today's Guardian.

Presumably The Guardian doesn't think any of it is libellous.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/22/nigel-farage-racist-past-who-is-telling-truth-schooldays?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Edited Saturday at 19:20 by Sue

[Azalea]

On 20/11/2025 at 15:27, Dulwich dweller said:

Paywall removed

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/dulwich-college-turns-boys-into-sexual-abusers-former-pupil-claims-vv8s6nxpx

 

That is chilling.  I hope that someone has reported the ones who filmed themselves having sex with girls/women and then passed the film to other people.  They should all be arrested. I remember hearing about a BBC radio reporter called Benjamin Wilkins was arrested in 2008 and jailed in 2010 for filming himself having sex with quite a number of women via a hidden camera in his bedroom.  He also had a camera in the bathroom.  The footage was discovered by a a girlfriend who contacted a woman in the film and she went to the police.  He pleaded guilty to11 counts of voyeurism and sentenced to 8 months in prison.    He did not pass the films to anyone else.  Info about Wilkins is still out there.  Several newspapers including the Telegraph and the Daily Record wrote about it.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Dulwich College doesn't seem to have issued any statement on its (surprisingly active!) news page, although tbf it's not clear if anyone has asked them to comment since publication of the story. Farage has denied "directly" racially abusing anyone. 🤔

https://www.dulwich.org.uk/news-events/news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87lx0981nro

[exdulwicher]

3 hours ago, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

Farage has denied "directly" racially abusing anyone. 🤔

Don't worry, he's only ever indirectly racially abused people and he's never done it in a hurtful or insulting way. It's very difficult to know isn't it? I mean, is the racist man known primarily for being a racist actually a racist if he says racism is funny? Gosh, tricky one...

 

Bit like that joke where the footballer calls the ref a **** and gets booked for it. Footballer is annoyed at this and says "well, what if I think it?" Ref says "well I can't stop you thinking can I?"

Footballer says "cool, in that case, I think you're a ****"

😉

 

 

[Penguin68]

Michael Crick, the author who first uncovered this story in his recently published book on Farage was interviewed on the Today programme this morning and was clear that he could only get one person he interviewed, and that was unsubstantiated, to argue that the adult Farage was in any way currently racist, and he admitted he tried to get this ascertation from interviewees who otherwise couldn't stand Farage. Farage was clearly a contrarian as a school boy, and very possibly not very nice, but it is the man now, not the boy then, that should concern us. It is his current  policies, his competences and the key people in his party we should be focusing on, not 40 year old scuttlebut. That's just lazy. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Penguin68

[Azalea]

World at One, Radio 4, is currently covering this story. First person they spoke to was a current NHS GP who was at school with him.

[Penguin68]

What Farage did and said 40 years ago and what he does, says and believes now may be different. Just because a 40 year old story is retold now on the BBC does not make it current news. We are not being asked to vote for school boy Farage but for today's man. I was an anarcho-syndicalist 55 years ago, but I'm not now. It will be sad if racists today vote for Farage because he may have been a racist 40 years ago. And as for anti-semites.. . They parade in the streets daily. If he gets their votes he's going to get in. 

[Sue]

4 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

What Farage did and said 40 years ago and what he does, says and believes now may be different. Just because a 40 year old story is retold now on the BBC does not make it current news. We are not being asked to vote for school boy Farage but for today's man. I was an anarcho-syndicalist 55 years ago, but I'm not now. It will be sad if racists today vote for Farage because he may have been a racist 40 years ago. And as for anti-semites.. . They parade in the streets daily. If he gets their votes he's going to get in. 

"May" be different?

The current  indications suggest otherwise, don't they?

"The child is father to the man". Wordsworth.

 

[diable rouge]

3 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

What Farage did and said 40 years ago and what he does, says and believes now may be different. Just because a 40 year old story is retold now on the BBC does not make it current news. We are not being asked to vote for school boy Farage but for today's man. I was an anarcho-syndicalist 55 years ago, but I'm not now. It will be sad if racists today vote for Farage because he may have been a racist 40 years ago. And as for anti-semites.. . They parade in the streets daily. If he gets their votes he's going to get in. 

You keep missing the main point, Farage, as an adult, has consistently denied these accusations over the years, it's only since several people have recently come forward in person with these accusations that he has now backtracked on those denials.

It's also very telling that he never sued Crick about the claims made in his book...

[Earl Aelfheah]

1 hour ago, Penguin68 said:

Farage was clearly a contrarian as a school boy, and very possibly not very nice, but it is the man now, not the boy then, that should concern us.

He was, according to teachers (who put it in writing at the time), someone with "publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views". It was also reported that Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, he had to be removed from a lesson, and that along with others, that he "marched though a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler youth songs".

The College Chaplain (again, according to a contemporaneous note made at the time of his appointment to prefect) judged that "..in his experience views o that kind expressed by boys of that age are deep-seated, and are meant.”.

At the time that he was made prefect (despite the protestations of some of the teaching staff), he was 17. It has been reported recently that later, as an 18 year old, he was involved in the anti-Semitic bullying of a 13 year old boy at the College.

So the suggestion is not that he was a 'contrarian', but a young man with deep seated and publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views.

Of course, it doesn't mean that those deep seated views could not have changed. But when you consider his pre-occupations and rhetoric over the many years since, I think it is extremely reasonable to question whether they have or not.

Farage has, long since leaving Dulwich College, made what many consider inflammatory statements regarding immigration, race, and integration. His 2016 "Breaking Point" poster featuring a line of refugees, was widely compared to Nazi propaganda and drew broad condemnation from across the political spectrum. He has framed asylum seekers and Muslims as a threat, and attributed societal problems like congestion, housing shortages and crime to immigration.

As an MEP, Farage formed alliances with various far-right and populist parties across Europe, including:

• The Sweden Democrats, a party with roots in white supremacy.
• Lega Nord (now Lega) in Italy and the Danish People's Party.
• Representatives from the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

Edited 43 minutes ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

2 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

Michael Crick...was clear that he could only get one person he interviewed...

Not sure if you've read the link but Crick's reporting for his 2002 book is different to the Guardian's reporting for its article last week.