Ryedale SE22 - Proposal to block end of Ryedale at junction of Underhill Road - January 2026

[malumbu]

Haven't a clue what you are talking about.  Do you know the roads?  I do, and have used them for years.  If you live on a main road there is traffic.  And yes, I do agree with you, there are a lot of selfish drivers.  I was one once.

[Rockets]

34 minutes ago, malumbu said:

Underhill is a main road and therefore will have significant traffic on it.  I've used it regularly over the years, and never considered it particularly congested. 

Everyone @malumbu has spoken - it has now been decided that Underhill is, in fact, a motorway.....

Honestly, how on earth do you categorise Underhill as a main road? That is just beyond ridiculous - are you just using this as a Trump'esque distraction technique - say something so ludicrous everyone gets distracted...I mean you don't actually believe what you say do you?

Edited 3 hours ago by Rockets

[Earl Aelfheah]

2 hours ago, Rockets said:

Come on @march46 it is not that difficult to understand. Let's look at one example: if you are trying to get to the A205 from Goose Green roundabout and want to avoid the congestion at the Grove Tavern junction which way do you think you are going to go?

Yeh, you're right. There was no rush hour congestion at the Grove Tavern junction of the South circular before *checks notes* a filter on Calton Avenue!?🫠

Plug that journey (goose green, to Dulwich Common) in to Waze for 6 O'clock and see where it directs you - via Dulwich Village.

There is no way that the filter on Calton Avenue is making people switch their route from Goose green to the junction of Lordship Lane and the South circular, from Dulwich Village to Underhill.

 

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[Rockets]

36 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Yeh, you're right. There was no rush hour congestion at the Grove Tavern junction of the South circular before *checks notes* a filter on Calton Avenue!?🫠

Did anyone say that? But the point you are missing is that pre-LTNs the congestion would not regularly go as far back as Melford Road - the left hand lane would remain clear. The right-hand lane turning right onto the A205 now tails back much further.

This is why the council had to extend the bus lane closer to Melford as bus times were being affected due to the new build-up of congestion at the narrowing point near Melford -which in turn made congestion worse back towards Court Lane.

Anyhow, I am not sure you are aware of the road layout but your search via Waze is a pointless one because you cannot turn right out of Underhill so cannot go westbound on the A205 that way.

Try re-running the search going from Goose Green to Forest Hill.....I rest my case.....here is what LTNs do - 6 minutes quicker going via Underhill than Lordship Lane.

Edited 2 hours ago by Rockets

[Earl Aelfheah]

Oh I see. So we’re ignoring the example you gave (that was nonsense) and trying another one. OK. Do you really think that the route given by Waze to get to Forest Hill (no longer to the plough junction of the south circular) is different because of a filter on Calton Avenue? When would you ever have gone from goose green via calton Avenue to get to Forest Hill?

Waze always tries to direct people around the lights. It always has. It’s what it does on Ryedale too. 

43 minutes ago, Rockets said:

congestion would not regularly go as far back as Melford Road

Are you serious?

Edited 2 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

Err @Earl Aelfheah sorry, what? You know Forest Hill is on the A205 right? How as what I said nonsense - just a reminder I said....

Let's look at one example: if you are trying to get to the A205 from Goose Green roundabout and want to avoid the congestion at the Grove Tavern junction which way do you think you are going to go?

7 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Do you really think that the route given by Waze to get to Forest Hill (no longer to the plough junction of the south circular) is different because of a filter on Calton Avenue? When would you ever have gone from goose green via calton Avenue to get to Forest Hill?

Oh @Earl Aelfheah - ok, let's break this down for you - it's not about the journey you are making - it is the journey others are making and congestion caused by that. You seem to be missing the fundamental point I was making in the post you selectively clipped- go back and read it again and see if the penny drops.

Actually, let me explain this to you by the journey you searched for on Waze - to get to that part of Dulwich Common you used to be able to go via Calton and what is now Dulwich Square. Now you can't - so traffic has to go another route.

Interesting isn't it that Waze did not suggest going via Grove Tavern and a right turn there - why, because of the congestion?

You are doing a great job of highlighting what the stark realities of LTNs are.

 

[Northern Star]

@malumbu I am impacted by the traffic on Underhill, as I Iive in the area so I see the traffic every day, in particular the morning rush hour. I am not home in time to see the rush after work. 

Underhill is not classified as a main road I would have thought or A road? It is busy for a residential road, 4000 in my view is a lot for a residential road 

re speeding - cars were very much speeding down whately prior to the crossing being added in the middle of it. It has really helped kids going to Heber school - so streets for people 😀 

sorry all - I know this thread is not about Underhill but anyone who lives close I am sure is not super keen on the through traffic, whatever the cause. 
 

Many drivers who are going towards Sydenham / Forest Hill use this cut through. And yes satnavs suggest it, in particular to avoid the lights by south circular so it must have some time advantage. 
 

I agree that 2019 report is subjective but definitely highlights issues I think a lot of people in the area would agree on. 
 

Sorry all to divert the discussion from Ryedale.
 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

23 minutes ago, Rockets said:

let me explain this to you by the journey you searched for on Waze - to get to that part of Dulwich Common you used to be able to go via Calton and what is now Dulwich Square. Now you can't - so traffic has to go another route.

Yes. It goes via East Dulwich Grove. The idea that Calton Avenue was a 'major East / West corridor is just silly. It was at best a way to cut out the lights on EDG, saving a couple of minutes max if you were travelling from the Village to Lordship Lane. 

Do you honestly believe that Waze didn't always direct cars travelling from Goose green to Forest Hill around the lights and the Plough junction during rush hour? Honestly?

The fact is that as apps such as Waze have become more popular, more and more people are being directed down back streets and around lights / major junctions.

Edited 1 hour ago by Earl Aelfheah

[malumbu]

@Northern Star Underhill is a reasonably long road that goes from A to B ie will be used as people have a destination to go to rather than using it as a cut through.  Including Whateley most of the roads off it are minor, ie Underhill has the priority.  To me that means it is not a minor road.  Happy to call it something other than a major road, but not sure what other definition can be used.

I've no in depth knowledge of how traffic flows have varied over the years, but in my living memory it has never been an isolated farm track and has always had a flow of traffic down to and back from LL.

 

[Northern Star]

@malumbu we’ll have to agree to disagree. What do I know. I only live here 😂. 

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

The idea that Calton Avenue was a 'major East / West corridor is just silly.

Oh no it's not.....

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Do you honestly believe that Waze didn't always direct cars travelling from Goose green to Forest Hill around the lights and the Plough junction during rush hour? Honestly?

No I do not believe Waze would have done that pre-LTNs. The reason? Waze makes it recommendations, amongst other things, from other cars using Waze stuck in traffic. If you look back at my messages from around 2020/21 I was saying how bad the congestion at Grove Tavern had become post LTNs and how it snaked back up Lordship Lane often to the Court Lane junction. Why? Because I was often there every day at the bus stop.