Two PCNs from camera at junction of Burbage and Turrney Roads

[apbremer]

I  received TWO Pcns from a camera at junction of  Burbage and Turrney Roads  dated 7th Jan. They are 1 minute apart. The camera is obviously  faulty. I have written to Southwark with copies of eeverything but have been ignored.  Soon I shall be up for fines totalling £320. What to do??

[Penguin68]

The same thing happened to my wife - not at that junction but another also in Southwark. They simply say that if there were two pictures there were two offences, and you're bang to rights. My wife was recovering an error she knew she'd made - she should have just driven through and then she'd only have triggered the camera once. Southwark are greedy b@st@rds - but then we knew that anyway.

[ianr]

Has it ever been clearly stated at what stage of the representation-submssion  -> appeal-submission  -> tribunal-appeal  process  the Southwark part passes to council officers rather than to the outsourced PCN-issuing company?   I tend to assume it would be very early on, but can't be sure.

[Moovart]

When I was incorrectly ticketed three times in the same place in one week, my first appeal was rejected on each ticket.  It was only when I emailed Southwark to tell them I was taking them to tribunal and would they like to withdraw the PCNs before tribunal that they withdrew them.  So I'm assuming they only get involved after the first appeal.

[fishboy]

Try posting on the Free Traffic Legal Advice forum, I can highly recommend it from personal experience -https://www.ftla.uk/index.php

Councils always reject initial appeals / representations as they just want people to pay, but often after that stage they fail to adhere to the correct procedures which can lead to tribunal losses. They seem to know this, so end up cancelling prior to hearings.

Have a look at posts on the FTLA forum, do a search for the PCN code to find similar cases, and see how they've panned out, it's very interesting!

[tiddles]

had a similar thing from Lewisham - client had to PCNs 1 minute apart - the videos of the contravention are exactly the same. There is no doubt the contravention ocurred but to issue 2 at the same time seems a bit much

[ianr]

Tiddles, if the two videos were exactly the same, were they two video copies of a single event and recording -- in which case there's certainly something very wrong within the system -- or were they two videos of two very similar actions?  What do the time marks say?