Councillor McAsh defects to the Greens

[Jenijenjen]

I disagree with the use of the word "sectarianism" in this context and Starmer is a total a*se to have introduced it. In my mind, sectarianism conjures up the hatred and vicious violence of The Troubles in Northern Ireland. 

The divide between the Greens and Reform are a long way from that and is more reminiscent of a time when the two main parties actually stood for something and voting was more a matter of following one's political beliefs. Nobody called that sectarianism. 

[Jules-and-Boo]

16 hours ago, DGM-1986 said:

country is in a real state at the min and all party’s have a part to play in that.

what the future holds who knows but it is worrying.

The country is in a real state. 
What worries me about the Greens is encouraging migration and openly offering benefits to all with visas. 
Where is the money for that coming from? 
As if there is spare money, as if there is growth. Where I their holistic manifesto, ensuring funds are available and this is sustainable, and regulated?

Incredibly dangerous and idealistic 

Edited 3 hours ago by Jules-and-Boo

[HeadNun]

1 hour ago, Jenijenjen said:

I disagree with the use of the word "sectarianism" in this context and Starmer is a total a*se to have introduced it. In my mind, sectarianism conjures up the hatred and vicious violence of The Troubles in Northern Ireland. 

The divide between the Greens and Reform are a long way from that and is more reminiscent of a time when the two main parties actually stood for something and voting was more a matter of following one's political beliefs. Nobody called that sectarianism. 

Oh I didn't realised Starmer had used the word. I don't mean they are stirring up division between themselves (ie between Reform and Greens), I mean they are stoking division within communities, and stirring up racial prejudice and religious discrimination. That is sectarianism, in my view. 

[Jenijenjen]

So I've done a little more research into the current use of the word, I hadn't realised it had latterly been used to describe anti Muslim feelings. Still don't like the use of the word.

These are horrible times and am fearful for the future.

[HeadNun]

55 minutes ago, Jenijenjen said:

So I've done a little more research into the current use of the word, I hadn't realised it had latterly been used to describe anti Muslim feelings. Still don't like the use of the word.

These are horrible times and am fearful for the future.

I didn't realise that either! I thought it just meant division within communities - religious, racial or otherwise. 

Yes, it is frightening. The days of the broad church political party are over. 

[alice]

 that’s just been misused first by Faraz and then Starmer. It’s evocative and negative.  But it’s flooding the news today.

[Sue]

4 hours ago, HeadNun said:

Spot on. Both peddling sectarianism. 

Sorry to be dim.

How are the Greens "peddling sectarianism"?

I have googled a definition and I can see how this might apply to Reform 🤬 but I can't see how it applies to the Greens?

[Suggsy]

2 hours ago, HeadNun said:

 I mean they are stoking division within communities, and stirring up racial prejudice and religious discrimination. That is sectarianism, in my view. 

Precisely this. It was alarming when Zac Goldsmith tried to exploit ethnic tensions as part of his London mayoral bid (he specifically targeted Hindu, Tamil and Sikh communities saying their jewellery was at risk from a Sadiq Khan wealth tax) but to my mind the Greens have practised this on a far more significant scale in Gorton and Denton. I don't know who Democracy Volunteers are, but reports of an uptick in family voting is also of concern.