joytree Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The EU is negotiating a trade treaty with the United States [TTIP] that would leave the NHS prey to American Private Health Companies and their shareholders. It would make Privatisation permanent .The National Health Action Party is making it a top priority to exempt the NHS from this TTIP Trade Agreement being negotiated between the EU and the US.Please ask your MP what this Trade Agreement will mean for the NHS.Go to www.nhap.org for more information.National Health Action Party members will be outside Kings College Hospital May 9 @ 16:30 - 17:30 campaigning for the European Elections and would like to meet you . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianr Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 A few minutes scanning the top-level categories on the website and I failed to find anything obviously briefing or informing on your topic, so had to resort to a search http://nhap.org/?s=TTIP, to find several disparate articles. This one http://nhap.org/dont-let-ttip-deliver-fatal-blow-nhs/, with lots of pointers to material elsewhere, looks probably as good a starting point as any for anyone who wants to try to educate themselves. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-743957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Do you want to summarise the points then? All I can glean from that rather unfocussed article is that it might open the NHS up to potential competition. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-743965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytree Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 Hi The Attachment summarises the concern by supporters of the NHS about the threat of privatisation.Please see The Youtube links explains why a NHS Cancer Specialist Clive Peedell and a GP LOUISE Irvine are standing in the European Elections to try and stop more Privatisation of the NHS. link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmelbhh-YZM. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-744018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Hang on, you are getting two issues conflated. I want to know the details of why you think the "NHS is prey to American Private Health Companies and their shareholders". All you've done is sent me a pamphlet claiming roughly the same thing without any details. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-744047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianr Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I'm very grateful for your alerting me to TTIP and ISDS (which seems not to be a new thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement). I'll keep an eye on the protracted Philip Morris v. Australia arbitration that your party website mentions. It's documented here: http://www.ag.gov.au/internationalrelations/internationallaw/pages/tobaccoplainpackaging.aspx http://www.pca-cpa.org/showpage.asp?pag_id=1494. I'm glad to see that the previous challenges, on grounds of constitutionality, seem to have failed, though I don't know whether that's to be taken as reason for optimism.Do you have any examples of damage already done as the result of ISDS arbitration? The EU commisioner, as quoted in the final paragraph of the Wikipedia article, would have us believe that any future trade agreement will "fully enshrine democratic prerogatives" and will explicitly state that legitimate government public policy decisions cannot be overridden.On TTIP, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership, which has an appearance of balance. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-744055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomDePlume Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 The biggest threat to our beloved NHS is the Tory party and their shareholding buddies, 1st is to highlight a nicely profitable part, 2nd, then besmirch it's reputation with how badly its ran, how bad the issues are, the staff, the whatever, trump up a reason to put it out to tender. Then forewarn your rich buddies that it will be going public and shares are in the pipeline, earmark a large portion to those in the know, then announce it the hedge funds and other entrepreneurs. Finally go public offer it below market prices and another of our the public's assets go into private ownership!I'll use The Post Office as an example Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-749926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Beloved NHS NDP -don't make me laugh- it has been misused and abused relentlessly by the general population for decades! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-749982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 yeah bludgers, if it wasn't for fecking people and there 'sickness' and 'accidents' it would be the most efficient health provider on earth!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-750517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm struggling to see why people hold the NHS in such affection. I'm not saying it's bad, but there are other countries in W Europe with better health care. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-752980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I have a friend that did his ACL skiing in Austria and went through the Austrian public system. In the UK, he'd have had the op fairly quickly, but would have waited up to six months for the necessary physio. In Austria, in hospital on Friday, Op on Monday (it would have been Saturday but there was an issue with his white blood cells), physio started on Thursday.The NHS is good but, as the Yanks say, it ain't all that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-752984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I've just had a week long stay in an Italian hospital. Excellent ambulance crew, fresh clean wards with only four beds, lots of nurses per patient. The French health service is also excellent. Again... not saying the NHS is bad but neither is it a perfect model. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-753029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 People are being offered 'upgrades' in hospitals for ?135 a night under certain circumstances- anyone had experience of this? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-753075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Is that like a 'happy ending'? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-753078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I'm struggling to see why people hold the NHS in> such affection. I'm not saying it's bad, but there> are other countries in W Europe with better health> care.sacred cow Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43860-nhs-prey-to-american-private-health-companies/#findComment-753261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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