working girls

[vgrant]

cordsm Wrote:

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> Personally, I find the Swedish policy very hard to

> argue with....although understand both p.o.v.

>

> "In Sweden, it is understood that any society that

> claims to defend principles of legal, political,

> economic,

> and social equality for women and girls must

> reject the idea that women and children,

> mostly girls, are commodities that can be bought,

> sold, and sexually exploited by men. To

> do otherwise is to allow that a separate class of

> female human beings, especially women

> and girls who are economically and racially

> marginalized, is excluded from these

> measures"

The Nordic Model is not what it seems

[LadyDeliah]

The New Zealand model is much better. Legalised and unionised. The prostitutes have way more control over their working environment and are able to put in their own safety measures, which has reduced incidents of violence drastically.

They are also encouraged to report crimes against them to the police and are doing so as they don't face sanctions, such as having their kids taken away.

This model, however, is not being looked at in Europe, not because it is unseccesful, but because ultra so-called feminists have moral objections and seek to disempower other women who don't take the same moral stance as them.

I don't consider anyone who seeks to take the power to be autonomous human beings away from women as feminists. They have no moral authority in my opinion and should be challenged by any real feminists.

[Otta]

"This model, however, is not being looked at in Europe, not because it is unseccesful, but because ultra so-called feminists have moral objections and seek to disempower other women who don't take the same moral stance as them.

I don't consider anyone who seeks to take the power to be autonomous human beings away from women as feminists. They have no moral authority in my opinion and should be challenged by any real feminists."

I know I'm only a bloke and all that, but for what it's worth I totally agree.

[vgrant]

I would argue that this may have a veneer of femininism, but the Nordic model is driven by a number of factors - an immensely conservative inward looking deferential society(forget about Swedish liberalism - this is a myth) & base xenophobia at its root are major constituent parts.I would go as far to say that this is a class issue above all.

Anecdotal evidence- and I hate to use anecdocal but its hard to wade through the propaganda that back up the Nordic model ,suggests that though the offical numbers of users of sexual services etc are down as a result of these laws, it has driven the trade back into the underground. Johns are more jittery, Women in the trade have less protection, risk taking is more prevalent than ever.

I am not taking any kind of stance of the feminism debate here BTW, that a seperate debate