Betting Matters....

[Mick Mac]

The money is draining away [3600]. Yes lost on Rory.

Have put ?100 on Celtic to win the Champions League :) at 210/1 ....you are all invited to the post tournament party.

[red devil]

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> ...i won't mention my PokerStars account :(

I watched a bit of Texas Hold 'em on one of the Sky Sports channels last night, scary how quickly people were losing hundreds of ?s. The presenter guy said he prefers to play Omaha, more skill involved, is this true?..

[????]

No. I don't think so. You're never that far ahead in Omaha so you are on thinner margins which means a reasonable tactic is to shove all in with many hands pre or on the flop, especially if you think the other player is better than you. I guess at a really high level where you know the percentages spot on and are really good at calculating your opponents ranges then maybe there's more skill but my suspicion is that the top players are just gambling . I think 'cos Omaha is played less and there is less theory/hand analysis out there then for the top players if they think they have an edge on other pros then maybe that's a plus EV spot for them, whereas most of the really top players are just swapping chips around at hold 'em . Personally not a big fan of Omaha, I like Omaha Hi/Lo though.

Hundreds? We have had several pots for over a $ million on our site.

[red devil]

Omaha Hi/Lo sounds interesting, is there split betting?

[????]

Split pot highest and lowest hands win but the lo must be a low hand under 8. The pot is shared ie you just bet generically, ideally you want your hand to be working both ways as about a 1/3 of the time plus there won't be a low hand

So, best starting cards are AA23 double suited.

I play hi/lo stud a bit too

[red devil]

I would prefer a game that still has a reasonable element of bluff about it rather than percentages/probabilities, or has that been blown out of the water with the internet and all the associated 'tools'?..

[????]

nope. Not at all. Just higher level thinking. He thinks that I'm thinking he's got this so he'll think I've got this if i take this action blah de bklah...a bit like that old Racey song Little does she know that I know that she knows etc You can represnt hands (bluff) on the internet with the right lines of play and bet sizes etc

you choose your spots against the approriate players to make bluffs, certain types of bluff work with certain players, certain bluffs with others, A lot of beginner players are just looking at their own 2 cards for instance and you won't bluff them off any piece of the flop they've got. It's actually easier to bluff better players to a degree.

Poker's endlessy fascinating and complicated for a simple game in principle I've played seriously for 8 years and am still getting my head round some of the advanced theory.

[red devil]

''You can represnt hands (bluff) on the internet with the right lines of play and bet sizes etc''

That's what struck me about watching it last night, punters were just going all in all the time. Online poker has taken away the face to face element of bluffing.

Personally I would ban sunglasses in 'live' games :)

[Mick Mac]

We used to play hi/lo stud as teenangers when it was raining at the golf club. 20p in. I reckon I've still go it.

[????]

Stud or Omaha? Stud I presume

[????]

anyway, this is the betting thread not the poker one

[red devil]

You and me both Mick.

The only game I've played seriously is Blackjack in casinos, but I suspect the serious poker players look down on that as a bit Mickey Mouse :)

[Mick Mac]

There are no serious poker players on this thread to answer that RD. ;-)

[????]

Let me expand on just one example of a bluff online. Say we have a pot for $1 dollar between me and a random player. Crap players will quite often try and bluff with a minimum bet into that of say 6c (that's 5% of pot value) of the pot if . Now if I've a draw or a made hand or a decent high card, I'll call that all day long as if i hit I'm getting paid off and 6c to see another card for a 106C pot is nothing. ( A decent player with a hand (or not) will bet at least 50C into that pot incidentally) . So, if someone does that to me online and I've nothing I almost immediately raise say 25C that's enough and they almost always fold on their stooopid fishy bet. If they don't they have practicall always got the low card on the flop paired.

Now, if i am playing someone semi-decent and I hit a flop very hard I will sometimes make a 6c bet because thy'll as likely think what a donkey and reraise me with nothing (like I just did to the bad player) and then I will reriase them again, they will then probably fold but I've still got more mobney bacjk with that play than if i'd har raised them say 60C on the flop as I should (technically) you see? Bluff and play that is player dependent and nothing to do with your cards.

[????]

Blackjack is -ev unless you can count cards. I hate casino games.

[Mick Mac]

Good news and bad news.

A month ago put biggish bet on Silviniaco Conti for the King George, saw it win on tv under Ruby Walsh and it could be the next Kauto they said.. It won again at Haydock yesterday. Immediately Paul Nichols stated it would be in the Gold Cup (2nd fav) but definitely would not run in the King George. Drat and double drat.

On the other hand. Rory gave me a big win today. Was fascinating to watch Rory react to Justin Rose's final round 62 with 5 birdies. Brilliant viewing especially when you have a few quid on.

[Mick Mac]

GMac wins in the US tonight.

Only backed him halfway through the third round at evens. But great frontrunning performance from GMac.

4240

[????]

Sprinter Sacre starting to look like a horse to back over the jumps

[????]

The King George - Long Run and a small ew on The Giant Bolster for me (going probably going to be soft)

[Kingy]

Probably ....Definitely

[red devil]

Heavy going...just had a nice little win on Darlan, going for a McCoy double with The Giant Bolster...

[red devil]

Great race, well done Quids...

[Mick Mac]

Yeah. Well done quids. We are all v pleased for you. Honest.

[red devil]

You've not done too bad yourself Mick, courtesy of a certain Norn Irishman ;-)

[Mick Mac]

It's certainly been a good year RD. Can't believe my luck really. Not much luck on the horses though.