Is there a God?

[Jeremy]

silverfox Wrote:

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> Picking up on one of your earlier points Hal9000,

> what does Quantum Mind theory say about

> consciousness that may point to the existence of a

> God-like entity?

After reading through HAL9000s links, I was wondering the same thing...

[HAL9000]

Brendan Wrote:

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> Does QM stand for both Quantum Mechanics and

> Quantum Mind simultaneously until someone explains

> it to you?

Quite: allow me to collapse the wave function of that duality.

Wherever I've used 'QM' above it stands for Quantum Mechanics (See an Introduction to Quantum Mechanics).

I've only referred to 'Quantum Mind' once above - I usually refer to it as 'Quantum Consciousness' - but they are one and the same thing: an esoteric derivative of Quantum Mechanics that attempts to explain how consciousness arises in the brain and the wider implications thereof.

> Or at least accuse them of cruelty to cats.

No cats were harmed or injured during the course of this thread or my research.

[HAL9000]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> silverfox Wrote:

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> > Picking up on one of your earlier points Hal9000,

> > what does Quantum Mind theory say about consciousness

> > that may point to the existence of a God-like entity?

>

> After reading through HAL9000s links, I was

> wondering the same thing...

Firstly, let's call it Quantum Consciousness (QC) to avoid confusion.

Secondly, let me clarify that I have referred only to the biblical (i.e. Jewish, Christian, Islamic) God in this thread, so far, although the theory may be applied to all god-like entities including a spontaneous apparition such as the Boltzmann Brain.

Finally, QC essentially argues that all of the matter in the universe (including human brains - obviously) is entangled at the quantum level. It also postulates that consciousness arises through non-computable quantum-scale processes. One of the biblical God's attributes is ?all knowing? - even ones most private thoughts. QC provides a scientifically-based mechanism for God's omniscience. The concept has been applied to explain other religious ideas such as prophecy, divination, visions, prayer, the soul and the 'Book of Life' amongst others.

[Brendan]

Which kinda leaves you with more of a Buddhist view of god than an Abrahamic one.

[HAL9000]

Brendan Wrote:

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> Which kinda leaves you with more of a Buddhist

> view of god than an Abrahamic one.

Indeed - a lot of New Age sects have appeared in which Buddhist and quantum ideas are combined.

There's strong evidence that oriental religions such as Zoroastrianism, Hinduism and Buddhism (amongst others) influenced the ideas found in the Judaic religions: monotheism, Judaism's cast system and Christian monasticism, respectively, to name but a few examples.

[Brendan]

(Pedantry apology)

Zoroastrianism originated in Persia.

[HAL9000]

Brendan Wrote:

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> (Pedantry apology)

> Zoroastrianism originated in Persia.

Quite so. Read as '...eastern and oriental...'

But the ancient authors borrowed from many other religions, one as far away as Northern Siberia.

The OT's Psalm 104 is very similar to the ancient Egyptian Hymn to Ra. The NT contains many quotes from and allusions to classical Greek and Latin literature. Some of the NT's rituals are adapted from Mithraism. Not to mention well-known examples such as the Gilgamesh Epic for the story of Noah and the Flood. The list goes on.

[SeanMacGabhann]

If there is a God, abd if the bible is his word, then he has been misrepresented

by those pesky liberals, who else

[mockney piers]

Found out on Saturday that a friend of mine, a good man who's made no enemies, whom everyone likes, who is only 33 and just had his first child with his wife, has been diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumour and has an uncertain but fairly short amount of time left.

Anyone care to explain what sort of God does that?

Anyone, anyone, Bueller?

[silverfox]

If you're blaming God for this you must believe in Him

[mockney piers]

Oh deary me. What are you, five?

I'm not blaming God, thems the vagaries of a cruel and uncaring universe. It's part of life, accepting that doesn't make me any less angry or this situation any less tragic.

Just wondering how believers equate this sort of thing with a loving god of a karmic balance or whatever.

Plus why on earth would an all powerful entity capable of creatig a universe, when making a creature in his own image, the entire focus and purpose of the whole of the vast universe's existence, do so with such cruel imperfections?

Seems a bit odd to me.

[Brendan]

Perhaps god did create a creature in his own images that is the entire focus and purpose of the whole of the vast universe's existence but we are just mistaken in assuming that the creature is us.

It?s probably dolphins or salmonella.

[silverfox]

I realise you're upset MP and I wasn't trying to be callous about the unfortunate situation.

You raise an age old question about how, if a loving and benevolent God exists, He could permit such tragedy and suffering. I too find this a difficult question.

[mockney piers]

E-coli seems a happy customer, perhaps it's them. My god, we're just food!

[mockney piers]

Apologies Silverfox, didn't mean to snap. It's not your fault.

Well, I hope; you're not omnipotent I trust?

[Brendan]

Anyway the universe probably isn?t as vast and unfathomable as we think it?s just because the human brain can?t perceive it properly that it seems that way. E-coli probably don?t have that problem.

[silverfox]

More impotent than omnipotent I'm afraid MP

[Jeremy]

silverfox Wrote:

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> I too find this a difficult question.

It's only a difficult question if you believe in God. But if you accept a more logical view of the world, the question becomes much more simple.

[Brendan]

Those who work at the coal-face of reality would say that accepting a view on the world is illogical.

[mockney piers]

Quote jeremy, if you do t believe then it's nit even a question at all. I was just wondering how those that do [believe in a loving god or any sort of theoretical gold mark black mark points system, I'll ignore devil worshippers or thuggee types] square the circle.

[Brendan]

eh?

[Jeremy]

That's why I don't post on here from my Blackberry...

[mockney piers]

I'll try again

Well, quite Jeremy. If you don't believe in God then it's not even a question at all.

I was just wondering how those that do [believe in a loving god or any sort of theoretical gold mark black mark points system, (I'll ignore devil worshippers or thuggee types)] square the circle.

hmm, probably not much clearer, just ignore the bits in [].

[Brendan]

Stil though, what do Indian highwaymen have to do with it?

[mockney piers]

when religion is wilfully nasty and murderousthere isn't much of a square to be circled is there.