Advice on PCN issued by Royal Borough of Greenwich

[emc]

Hello all - any help/advice would be greatly appreciated on this. I visited Greenwich on Sunday afternoon, round about 3.30pm and parked on Welland Street, just off Creek Road. It was single yellow lines, there were cars parked all along. I looked around nearby for any signage prohibiting parking but seeing none, and believing you could park on single yellow line on a Sunday, I parked. I came back to my car around 5pm to find a parking ticket issued at 4.20pm which said it believed a, '01 contravention had been committed' - this is 'parking in a restricted street during restricted hours.' I was really shocked and walked quite a bit further down the street and there, on the wall of a building, set quite far back from the road was a restricted parking notice including the hours that I had parked in. I've done a bit of digging and think Welland Street is maybe part of a CPZ (controlled parking zone) but I think, and I could be wrong, that any streets that you enter should have a sign stating this is a CPZ at all points of entry. There was only one point of entry to Welland Street, there was no sign, just a sign saying it was a dead end as I entered the street, I had no idea that it was restricted parking. Of course maybe I should have worked a lot further down the street but because it was a Sunday, and it was a single yellow line I just assumed (stupidly) I could park there. My question is, does anyone know the rules for CPZs - should there have been a sign on entry to Welland Street that there were restricted hours or am I supposed to know that a number of roads in Greenwich automatically full under CPZ? Can I make the point that there was only one sign and it was not obvious in any way? Or do I just have to pay up? It was a genuine (stupid) mistake. Thanks all .

[Loz]

CPZ are a bit of a nightmare. They can be many streets big and the notices only have to be posted at the entry points of the zone, not on every street. Bit of a con, I think, but councils love them.

But, on the other hand, that is also their weakness - should any entry point lose their notices then you have a ready made get out clause!

The council has the CPZs on their website. It confirms that Welland St is in zone G (Greenwich Town Centre) which applies MON-SAT 09:00-17:00 SUN 09:00-18:00 http://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/473/street_parking_-_zones/343/controlled_parking_zones/2

[Salsaboy]

Whilst we're on the subject of PCN's, got a Southwark one today whilst unloading in a residents only car park in a block of flats. Anyone have ideas about the validity of this with regards to loading and unloading? I'm a tradesman and was unloading tools at the time. Although the car was unattended the boot was open as was the communal door to the flats where I was going in and out AND I'd left a nice note on the dashboard saying what I was doing so the CEO could see it.

[Lowlander]

Salsaboy Wrote:

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> Whilst we're on the subject of PCN's, got a

> Southwark one today whilst unloading in a

> residents only car park in a block of flats.

> Anyone have ideas about the validity of this with

> regards to loading and unloading? I'm a tradesman

> and was unloading tools at the time. Although the

> car was unattended the boot was open as was the

> communal door to the flats where I was going in

> and out AND I'd left a nice note on the dashboard

> saying what I was doing so the CEO could see it.

There is a clear dispensation for loading - http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/473/guide_to_parking/499/loading_and_unloading - so worth appealing

[emc]

Thanks Loz - I had no idea that they didn't have to put CPZ notices at the entry to every street in the zone, just have to have them at the beginning of the zone. I didn't notice any notice any signs on my route into Greenwich but there may well have been some - I can't even remember my route into Greenwich so have no idea how to check if there were signs or not. In any case I have challenged the PCN (am hoping the signs were missing!) but I don't rate my chances of getting it cancelled.

[Grok]

OP, break parking laws, pay the penalty. Simps,

[Loz]

emc Wrote:

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> I didn't notice any notice any signs on my route into Greenwich but there may well have

> been some - I can't even remember my route into Greenwich so have no idea how to check if there

> were signs or not. In any case I have challenged the PCN (am hoping the signs were missing!) but I

> don't rate my chances of getting it cancelled.

Of course, the sign doesn't have to be missing from the actual route you took. They don't know how you entered the zone. Find a missing sign and that can be your (new) entry point!

[Salsaboy]

Ah, thanks Lowlander. Couldn't find that bit of the website.

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Salsaboy Wrote:

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> > Whilst we're on the subject of PCN's, got a

> > Southwark one today whilst unloading in a

> > residents only car park in a block of flats.

> > Anyone have ideas about the validity of this

> with

> > regards to loading and unloading? I'm a

> tradesman

> > and was unloading tools at the time. Although

> the

> > car was unattended the boot was open as was the

> > communal door to the flats where I was going in

> > and out AND I'd left a nice note on the

> dashboard

> > saying what I was doing so the CEO could see

> it.

>

>

> There is a clear dispensation for loading -

> http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/473/guide_to_park

> ing/499/loading_and_unloading - so worth appealing

[Lynne]

Greenwich has fined people for parking on a single yellow line on Sundays for years now. I used to go to the Sunday antiques market and you would see lines of cars with penalty notices.