JoeLeg

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A third attempt at this vote would open up more > questions about democracy. If it is not passed > today, I think it becomes far easier for people to > question why this can?t be handed back to the > people to take control of the situation. We have a > few simple choices to make, the deal or remain. > > Louisa. There?s a lot of people who would also want No Deal to be on the ballot.

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It now seems that the future of the United > Kingdom, Ireland, and the rest of the EU (not to > mention the world economy) is dependent on what > Nigel Dodds MP concludes from tonight?s > negotiations. He?s so influential, even Tory > Brexiteers await his conclusion. What an absolute > farce and afront to democracy this whole process > has become. > > Louisa. I?d say that?s a pretty fair assessment, although May?s ?majority? is so illusory that even if the DUP were to support her it only takes a few others to defeat her. The DUP are a bunch of religiously-infected zealots who embrace homophobia and a theologically-stained political creed who were also supporters of Unionist terrorism during the Troublea, which they seem to pretend they didn?t do, and now they?re getting billions of pounds of our money. They make me sick.

So you?re just cribbing Socrates now? Original...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Leaving the EU is a bit like those Free Trials > that people sign up to > like Book Clubs, Wine Clubs you know.. No > membership required , No obligations , > > Until you try to leave.. ??? > > Some 40 odd years ago we signed up to a No > Obligations scheme that we are now having trouble > leaving. > > Foxy Leaving is no trouble. Do nothing between now and the 29th and exit on WTO, No-Deal. Simples. Although quite a few people seem to think that?s not a great idea... The EU isn?t actually obliged to make this easy for us, and anyone - anyone - who thought they would is an idiot. Of course they?re going to be difficult about it. Those who wanted Leave should?ve been a lot more honest with themselves about it. The only people who think this is all the EU?s fault are the extreme hardcore Brexiters, who seem to believe that somehow we were ?owed? something. No one is owed anything in politics. Pretty much everyone else - on both sides - agreed this has been a massive screw up by the U.K. from the start.

Hi Nick, Foxy has form (a lot of form) for spouting utter garbage about stuff he knows nothing about, as you?ve just experienced, particularly where the hospitality industry is concerned (he seems to think we all make a fortune off the back of huge profit margins, hahahahaaaah, oh Foxy you do make me laugh...). I wouldn?t take it personally, but nor would I expect an apology. Good luck with Saucy, I?ve been involved with enough new openings to know how things can go sideways with no warning.

Oh look - DulwichFox in ?doesn?t know what he?s talking about but makes assumptions anyway? shocker. At least you?re consistent Foxy...

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > There?s a debate to be had > > about immigration for sure I > wouldn't go along the implication that our > immigration policy needs to change though. Every > report I've seen on immigration makes it clear > that it's of economic benefit. What we need is > politicians with the guts to say so, rather than > this lily-livered bunch who pander to > counter-factual 'fears'. > > My badly explained point is that one of the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest things the Remain campaign did was allow the extremes of their supporters to paint anyone who had issues with immigration as a racist, which in turn allowed Leave to claim a moral high ground on that issue without having to actually engage in the debate. There?s a lot of people who do have a problem with immigration, and a lot of that is based on incorrect information, hearsay and assumptions - and assumption is the parent of all f?-ups. There are also some Remainers who don?t want to listen to facts about problems with immigration, such as that in some cases it does drive down wages. We needed a proper, national discussion on the issue and we got nothing of the sort. This country has had a problem with immigration for hundreds o years. We forget that within living memory there was ?no dogs, no blacks, no Irish?. We need to listen to people with genuine concerns and defeat prejudice with hard fact. We?ve done neither lately.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alan Medic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > ...If you've ever had a breakdown of where your > taxes have been > spent, the amount on the EU is miniscule... > > Can?t comment on the accuracy of any breakdown you > received Alan. What I would question is why we?ve > agreed to pay the EU a ?39 Billion (probably > double that if the truth be known) divorce payment > when headteachers in schools are mopping out > toilets and parents are being asked to pay for > books, pencils, teachers?s pensions etc etc. > > I?ll be pleased to read your attempt at > justification. Again I would say that the EU has had nothing to do with us trashing our schools. While I believe that you want the best for our schools and children, I?ll be pleased to hear how you feel the EU is responsible for the state they are in. I would also say that I am sceptical in the extreme that if we were to exit on No Deal, our schools (and other sorely underfunded public services) would somehow see the benefit. Excuse my cynicism, but I doubt it somehow.

The irony being that those parts of the country which are worst off will stand to lose the most under Brexit. The City has made sure it?s ok, so that?s all the govt cates about. The South West, North East and parts of Wales etc aren?t going to see improvements. The money from the Stronger Towns fund comes nowhere near matching what they would?ve got under the EU. But then they say they medium term pain is worth it. They will see in the long term that nothing changes. As I keep saying, the problems those areas face are long-term, systemic issues, nothing to do with the EU. There?s a debate to be had about immigration for sure, but the decline of those parts of the U.K. has far more to do with the policies of successive govts since the 80?s than anything decided in Brussels. But it?s so much easier to hear ?Take Back Control!? isn?t it? Not that Leave ever defined what that actually meant, because then they would?ve had to live up to a promise.

I would say he needs to start with something less condescending and ignorant.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boring one liners and links - Grayling not a lot > to do with the Brexit outcome, toeing the party > line and a safe leaver to have on the Cabinet. > Start a new thread if you want to discuss him.. Dude...Wheaton?s Law, yeah? > > Here's a more interesting two liner without a > link. Today's bribe to the North and Midlands who > voted out - 'Tories magic Brexit money tree'. Or > as quite well put by the Labour spokesperson - > throwing money at the problem rather than solving > it (ie why so many felt disaffected - austerity > having much to do with it). > > There, loads of substantial stuff to discuss. A > pleasure. You must be a riot at parties...

Any Leave voter who still thinks we will do well out of a trade deal with the USA should read this. They?re already showing how they intend to screw us. They?re not even hiding it.

Passiflora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > > Lame business you got going on? > > I'm not a teenager but you sound like you are. Like I say, lame. (Sorry, wasn?t aware no one over the age of 19 is allowed to use that word.)

Passiflora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can't be bothered to click on some link. > Well that says a lot about your willingness to engage in actual debate. > Somebody just told me to F off earlier back but > not bothered really. Of course you?re not, that?s why you mentioned how ?not bothered? you are... > > As usual, Rendal et al turns the thread around to > their own advantage and assumes I'm a 'she' > No, Rendel - and many others - argued with you, which you seem to have a problem with. > Totally laughable response by some! > > Get on your bike! 2/10, must try harder. Seriously, if you?re gonna troll at least be interesting. This is some lame business you got going on.

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