JoeLeg

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A third attempt at this vote would open up more > questions about democracy. If it is not passed > today, I think it becomes far easier for people to > question why this can?t be handed back to the > people to take control of the situation. We have a > few simple choices to make, the deal or remain. > > Louisa. There?s a lot of people who would also want No Deal to be on the ballot.

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It now seems that the future of the United > Kingdom, Ireland, and the rest of the EU (not to > mention the world economy) is dependent on what > Nigel Dodds MP concludes from tonight?s > negotiations. He?s so influential, even Tory > Brexiteers await his conclusion. What an absolute > farce and afront to democracy this whole process > has become. > > Louisa. I?d say that?s a pretty fair assessment, although May?s ?majority? is so illusory that even if the DUP were to support her it only takes a few others to defeat her. The DUP are a bunch of religiously-infected zealots who embrace homophobia and a theologically-stained political creed who were also supporters of Unionist terrorism during the Troublea, which they seem to pretend they didn?t do, and now they?re getting billions of pounds of our money. They make me sick.

So you?re just cribbing Socrates now? Original...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Leaving the EU is a bit like those Free Trials > that people sign up to > like Book Clubs, Wine Clubs you know.. No > membership required , No obligations , > > Until you try to leave.. ??? > > Some 40 odd years ago we signed up to a No > Obligations scheme that we are now having trouble > leaving. > > Foxy Leaving is no trouble. Do nothing between now and the 29th and exit on WTO, No-Deal. Simples. Although quite a few people seem to think that?s not a great idea... The EU isn?t actually obliged to make this easy for us, and anyone - anyone - who thought they would is an idiot. Of course they?re going to be difficult about it. Those who wanted Leave should?ve been a lot more honest with themselves about it. The only people who think this is all the EU?s fault are the extreme hardcore Brexiters, who seem to believe that somehow we were ?owed? something. No one is owed anything in politics. Pretty much everyone else - on both sides - agreed this has been a massive screw up by the U.K. from the start.

Hi Nick, Foxy has form (a lot of form) for spouting utter garbage about stuff he knows nothing about, as you?ve just experienced, particularly where the hospitality industry is concerned (he seems to think we all make a fortune off the back of huge profit margins, hahahahaaaah, oh Foxy you do make me laugh...). I wouldn?t take it personally, but nor would I expect an apology. Good luck with Saucy, I?ve been involved with enough new openings to know how things can go sideways with no warning.

Oh look - DulwichFox in ?doesn?t know what he?s talking about but makes assumptions anyway? shocker. At least you?re consistent Foxy...

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > There?s a debate to be had > > about immigration for sure I > wouldn't go along the implication that our > immigration policy needs to change though. Every > report I've seen on immigration makes it clear > that it's of economic benefit. What we need is > politicians with the guts to say so, rather than > this lily-livered bunch who pander to > counter-factual 'fears'. > > My badly explained point is that one of the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest things the Remain campaign did was allow the extremes of their supporters to paint anyone who had issues with immigration as a racist, which in turn allowed Leave to claim a moral high ground on that issue without having to actually engage in the debate. There?s a lot of people who do have a problem with immigration, and a lot of that is based on incorrect information, hearsay and assumptions - and assumption is the parent of all f?-ups. There are also some Remainers who don?t want to listen to facts about problems with immigration, such as that in some cases it does drive down wages. We needed a proper, national discussion on the issue and we got nothing of the sort. This country has had a problem with immigration for hundreds o years. We forget that within living memory there was ?no dogs, no blacks, no Irish?. We need to listen to people with genuine concerns and defeat prejudice with hard fact. We?ve done neither lately.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alan Medic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > ...If you've ever had a breakdown of where your > taxes have been > spent, the amount on the EU is miniscule... > > Can?t comment on the accuracy of any breakdown you > received Alan. What I would question is why we?ve > agreed to pay the EU a ?39 Billion (probably > double that if the truth be known) divorce payment > when headteachers in schools are mopping out > toilets and parents are being asked to pay for > books, pencils, teachers?s pensions etc etc. > > I?ll be pleased to read your attempt at > justification. Again I would say that the EU has had nothing to do with us trashing our schools. While I believe that you want the best for our schools and children, I?ll be pleased to hear how you feel the EU is responsible for the state they are in. I would also say that I am sceptical in the extreme that if we were to exit on No Deal, our schools (and other sorely underfunded public services) would somehow see the benefit. Excuse my cynicism, but I doubt it somehow.

The irony being that those parts of the country which are worst off will stand to lose the most under Brexit. The City has made sure it?s ok, so that?s all the govt cates about. The South West, North East and parts of Wales etc aren?t going to see improvements. The money from the Stronger Towns fund comes nowhere near matching what they would?ve got under the EU. But then they say they medium term pain is worth it. They will see in the long term that nothing changes. As I keep saying, the problems those areas face are long-term, systemic issues, nothing to do with the EU. There?s a debate to be had about immigration for sure, but the decline of those parts of the U.K. has far more to do with the policies of successive govts since the 80?s than anything decided in Brussels. But it?s so much easier to hear ?Take Back Control!? isn?t it? Not that Leave ever defined what that actually meant, because then they would?ve had to live up to a promise.

I would say he needs to start with something less condescending and ignorant.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boring one liners and links - Grayling not a lot > to do with the Brexit outcome, toeing the party > line and a safe leaver to have on the Cabinet. > Start a new thread if you want to discuss him.. Dude...Wheaton?s Law, yeah? > > Here's a more interesting two liner without a > link. Today's bribe to the North and Midlands who > voted out - 'Tories magic Brexit money tree'. Or > as quite well put by the Labour spokesperson - > throwing money at the problem rather than solving > it (ie why so many felt disaffected - austerity > having much to do with it). > > There, loads of substantial stuff to discuss. A > pleasure. You must be a riot at parties...

Any Leave voter who still thinks we will do well out of a trade deal with the USA should read this. They?re already showing how they intend to screw us. They?re not even hiding it.

Passiflora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > > Lame business you got going on? > > I'm not a teenager but you sound like you are. Like I say, lame. (Sorry, wasn?t aware no one over the age of 19 is allowed to use that word.)

Passiflora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can't be bothered to click on some link. > Well that says a lot about your willingness to engage in actual debate. > Somebody just told me to F off earlier back but > not bothered really. Of course you?re not, that?s why you mentioned how ?not bothered? you are... > > As usual, Rendal et al turns the thread around to > their own advantage and assumes I'm a 'she' > No, Rendel - and many others - argued with you, which you seem to have a problem with. > Totally laughable response by some! > > Get on your bike! 2/10, must try harder. Seriously, if you?re gonna troll at least be interesting. This is some lame business you got going on.

Hold on, let me just get the essentials: 🍚 and 🍺.... This should be good. Carry on...

The problem is that as it stands we HAVE to leave the EU at 23:00 on 29/03/19. Is the govt cannot come up with something that they agree between themselves and the EU by that point then we have No Deal and it?s the hardest of Brexits. That?s the position right now, and it will continue to be so unless and until an alternative is offered. Even if it directly contradicts the vote against No Deal, that won?t matter because all it mean is that we?ve been unable to present an alternative in time.

The thing is that if we don?t present an alternative by 23:00 on 29/03/19, we crash out with No Deal regardless, so ironically both sides now have something to play brinkmanship over. May is gambling that enough people are fearful of No Deal and will vote for something - anything - else to avoid it. The ERG and it?s pals will now be gambling that they can defeat everything thus leaving us with the legally unavoidable default position of No Deal. This will be...interesting.

Hi, We?re in need of a face painter for a five year old girls??s birthday party, wondering if anyone knows anyone local that they?d recommend? Also wondering about having a magician come along for part of it. Same question, anyone local that anybody would recommend? Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks!

Maybe take it to a different thread Chick? It?s a volatile subject, likely to lead to serious thread detailing.

Nanban in Brixton is my current obsession, and I reckon it?d be pretty good for a birthday party. ETA - though only if you?re as fixated by ramen as I am. There?s many great restaurants in those areas you mention. What sort of price/style are you after? How many people?

Passiflora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Some of your statements have a quite a selfish > attitude James! How on Earth is any of that selfish? Genuinely perplexed...

Well isn?t that nice for them... As usual, those in power look after themselves and f? the rest of us.

And here I?m ending my participation in this thread. I?m ex-Army, I have a ?robust? attitude towards grown people who decide to join organisations such as ISIS, and I do not feel myself to be naive. However the idea that a one-week old infant has been deemed a terrorist already leaves a frankly bad taste in my mouth, to say the least. We separate children from parents (and the rest of their family) for less, and the father can easily be denied entry to the U.K.. The kid didn?t ask to be born and the fact that you?re already telling it that it?s an enemy of the state is something you might want to think about. Or not. It?s up to you. Either way I?ll leave you to it.

Pence would be worse. He takes Revelations literally. A Republican SCOTUS and a hardcore Christian in the Oval? Handmaids Tale will start to look eerily familiar... I?ve also often felt that Trump was just keeping it wa for Pemce; to be fair the Dem?s are doing themselves no favours, they?re as fractured as Labour, just hiding it better right now. The ?progressives? - who we would see as moderate Tories but the flyover states see as full on socialists (another concept the US doesn?t really understand) - hurting them. The Dem?s stand a good chance of losing 2020 Unless they can coalesce under one candidate capable of appealing to the middle ground. Right now they?re just running to the extremes (like everyone else). Trump never expected to win, and the GOP thought they could control him. Since then everyone has been trying to work out what next, and Trump only cares about looking good. His attacks on the media were comical at first, but now they?re getting pretty worrying. The First Amendment has the force of God over there, but that won?t stop a nutterwirh a gun...Trump is empowering bigotry and hatred, actively empowering it, because it all distracts from his problems.

walkman85 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd be horrified if she or her offspring were let > back into this country. The child is barely a week or two old. It?s commited no crime, and did not ask to be born. Why should the sins of the parent be visited on that poor infant? Be all means separate them - an argument can certainly be made that she should not be allowed to raise the kid only to hate this country. But don?t punish a newborn for the hatred of the parent. The right message should > be that if you want to leave the country to > support a terrorist organisation then don't expect > to come back. Part of me (a big part) has no problem with the idea of banning her from returning. But the idea of creating a precedent for making someone stateless because they don?t agree with our ideals is somewhat trickier - a slippery slope perhaps. Also, I?m very ok with her returning, being arrested and interrogated robustly (and no that is not a euphemism for torture). Another message worth sending is treat you can come back but we will make damn sure you face the consequences, gloves very much off.