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Personally I would?ve been astonished if Turkey had actually reached the point of joining the EU. I can well imagine various Eastern European countries vetoing that, and given their more recent behaviour their application is never going to proceed. Whether that might have been different if we?d stayed in? Yes, maybe, I?ll concede that anything is possible. I still doubt it though, and I still believe it was a conveniently racist stick for Farage to use. If you don?t believe me, ask Dominic Cummings! 650,000 votes he reckoned it swung? Something like that?

. Double post.

I?d say there will only be ?huge support? for walking away (ergo No Deal) from that part of the population that voted Leave. There?s a lot of people out there who don?t really care what kind of economic pain we go through, in order to Leave. Personally I think that?s somewhat cruel on the 48%, but as was pointed on by someone (I forget who) it sometimes feels like on June 24th 52% became 100% and 48% became 0%. I?d agree Ireland has been a tool for both sides on this, and I think it?s interesting no one, absolutely no one, was talking about the border during the campaign. Because no one had a clue what to do about it. You talk of May being ?humiliated?. I?d argue that only applies if she can be seen as having been a reasonable negotiator during this process. She hasn?t. She?s f?ed it up from day one. She should never have triggered A50 so early, because that told the EU there was no way we had our house in order, and they knew they just had to piss about for two years and it would drive the whole thing to the precipice. And yes, at this point it?s all getting a bit squeaky bum on both sides - except hard Brexiteers who want to invoke the spirit of an age that never existed and walk away. May was under no obligation to start the clock going. She should?ve entered into negotiations here with the Remainers in Cabinet and the ERG and made in plain to all of them that th UK had to present a united front, otherwise Brussels would screw us. She didn?t, and here we are. YOu can?t lay all the blame at the feet of Tusk, Barnier et al. The govt has done an excellent job of screwing this up handily.

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All sorted - the overseeing company came round, > apologised, identified training needs & brought > chocolates. The actual contractor has just been > and gave the right sort of apology & took my > number to give advance notice of extra loud > anticipated work - so all well. That?s great to hear! Having had to deal with a similar situation myself I know how stressful it can be, so I?m really happy for you.

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rendel Harris, I think you do more harm on this > forum than any of your accuseds. Absolute rubbish.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Speaking ahead of a meeting with Mrs May on > Wednesday, the Democratic Unionist Party's leader > Arlene Foster said: "The current backstop is toxic > to those of us living in Northern Ireland.?" > > It's worth remembering that most NI residents and > those with close ties to NI have automatic > citizenship of the ROI including her. It's > annoying that she can talk like this with her "get > out of jail free" card sitting in her back > pocket. > > Effectively all the DUP will retain freedom of > movement via ROI dual citizenship. Like many of the rich and powerful advocating for Hard Brexit, she has very little to lose. The DUP are mediaeval scum who are perfectly happy to take our money while having vile attitudes. The fact that they hold such disproportionate influence on the lives of us on the mainland makes me sick.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And why are leavers, from the govt down to joe > soap in the street, starting to say things like > ?if we leave with no deal, blame Brussels? > > It?s because they know what?s coming. If it wasn?t > so bad, there would be no need to blame Brussels I would say it?s because there?s a certain type of Leave voter which will blame the EU for anything that does not go totally our way. They refuse to acknowledge that we did a lot of this to ourselves, and insist on thinking that somehow the EU is supposed to give us everything we ask for.

Gardenman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What?s in front of you is your teacher. > Whatever problems you May have in your life, try > not to see them as problems, rather that they are > trying to teach you, help you to grow, to > understand & make changes if that is what is > called for. You understand most of that only works if you... ...oh what?s the point...

Robbin - you might be astonished to learn how short some supply chains are for certain foodstuffs. While I doubt we will look like 80?s-era Moscow, I can well imagine a few things running out temporarily and that being extrapolated by social media into some kind of existential crisis. I personally don?t believe the govt has been honest enough with people over the likelihood of temporary disruptions in the event of No Deal, but then they?ve f?ed up almost the whole thing so far so it?s hardly surprising. It?s also hardly surprising that in the event of not enough clarity, people either leap to the worst possible conclusion, or assume that everything will be absolutely fine with no possibility of trouble. Neither point of view is realistic.

Well, given that the Queen hasn?t really made a secret of the fact that she backs Bre it, I wouldn?t be surprised if she decided to run away and hide if it doesn?t go well.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is flexibility / elasticity of treaties/ > rules and this has been applied on a number of > occasions so it is not unreasonable to say that > they are being rigid. > > Presumably you are happy with TM / EU agreement? I voted Remain so I?m not happy with any of it.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dominating talks and negotiating are not the same > thing. > > They are not negotiating. I?m genuinely amazed at people who think the EU wasn?t going to play hardball. It just shows up our lack of readiness even more clearly. Of course, if you?d like to blame the EU for our own failings then carry on. It?s hardly new.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The EU officials are really showing their true > colours. What? Taking every opportunity to build up their negotiating position and dominate the talks? Yes, I suppose we all expected them to roll over and invite us to scratch their belly... Why on earth wouldn?t they take every chance they can get? It?s us that was in no way prepared for the negotiations, not them. They were ready.

Half Moon - Fullers, which give the managers and chefs a lot of support and training. Plus the manager of the Half Moon is generally really good at his job Crown - Mitchell and Butler, famous for giving staff very little support and generally treating them like crap. That?s basically why one is much better then the other. Plus Fullers use much better suppliers and actually care about customer experiences, as opposed to M+B who only care about the bottom line.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > malumbu, you need to start posting more > > your local forum needs you This is fantastic!

Holy Thread Necromancy Batman!!!!!!!

Yeah. This one is pretty bad (we never had an ac carrier called Britannia), but the analogy still holds up!

I prefer the version between the Spanish and the US navy.

Realistically? It would require Cressida Dick requesting such assistance, or the govt declaring martial law. Both circumstances are so unlikely as to be in the realm of fantasy. Govts make contingency plans for all possible situations. That doesn?t mean they envisage needing them.

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(Can?t beleive I?m doing this) Excuse me, but I stated clearly that what people do to themselves is their business. Get some reading comprehension. My problem with you is your imposition of your values on others.

TE44 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ha ha ha how ridiculous, Yes, you are. You are ridiculous and dangerous. Enjoy your tinfoil...bye bye!

TE44 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tes joe I am an "anti vaxxer" it's no big secret. Then nothing you say is worth listening to. You are responsible for a cult - a neo-religious sect - which thinks it?s ok to threaten the children of doctors and would happily see kids die of measles. It?s notable Wakefield can only find succour in the land of conspiracy. People like you are a danger to humanity and should be locked up. Do you have children? I hope not. The main reason you won?t try and defend your vile anti-vaccination position is because YOU CAN?T. You cannot deny the countless lives saved over years by vaccines, so you ignore that inconvenient fact. You have no scientific background to your assertions about autism because they?ve all been so comprehensively debunked over the years. All you?re left with is belief. Now belief is fine, but like religion it belongs to you and no one else. When you have a belief which encourages the spread of disease amoungst innocent people who do not share your belief, you are no longer a person following their own views on treatment - you are a menace to public health. Homeopathy is your choice, your belief. Keep it there and it?s not a problem. You are free to believe what you will qprovided you bring no harm to others. But when you claim your way is not only superior but that the field of modern medicine only causes harm - and do it without proof - then you?ve gone too far and I for one will not stand for it. I have no issue with what others choose to do to themselves; over their own body and mind the individual is sacrosanct. But when you make us live with the consequences of your belief, it?s too much. Homeopathy is a belief, at its core. Now I?m aware that the universe is a very strange place and there?s a lot of stuff we can?t understand. I don?t pretend to there?s nothing to what I would term ?unconventional? healing practices. But you don?t have anything past belief. The internet will tell you anything you want it to, and there?s any amount of confirmation bias out there that will tell you I?m wrong, and I don?t imagine I?m going to change your mind anyway. That?s the thing with a conspiracy theory - you don?t need to provide proof, you just have to say ?I Believe!?... Entire buildings are filled with scientists trying to make people healthier. For you to write them off as corrupt is beyond words.

Cui Bono? It?s Latin for ?who benefits?? Commonly referred to as - Follow The Money... I note you refuse to answer the questions. Are you also an anti-vaxxer?

Cui Bono, TE44? I?ve read your links, and the press release. I can see nothing on them that extends beyond the homeopathic industries belief that they should exist alongside modern medical practice. Fine in theory, but the NHS has finite resources, and cannot fund stuff if it does not think it will work. I note that the example of India is used as a place where homeopathic medicine is used alongside modern techniques. I would suggest India is not the best example given some of the public health problems they have. Ayurveydic practice is fine for some stuff, but it can?t treat chronic malnutrition or the resulting complications, or many of the other issues faced on the subcontinent. China might be a better example of two concurrently existing styles of medicine. Tell me, do you have any training in modern medicine? Also, would you refuse treatment that involved the use of modern drugs? ETA - Please provide proof (PROOF!) of your ?claims? that drugs are killing people. Actual, verifiable PROOF. I have very little time for people who claim the NHS is in cahoots with big pharma to damage people and make money. Back up your assertions or do one. One of the junior doctors on the team who saved my wife?s life, when discussing with me how many antibiotics they were having to give her, was quite open and scathing io his opinion of people who don?t understand that drugs are simply NOT a magic cure - that there is always a trade-off and that medicine isn?t some kind of fairy dust, but that people are living longer than they used to. But apparently to you we should not take the drugs because they hurt us. Tell me - where?s the cholera? How long are people living with HIV? What?s immunology? How about penicillin? Paracetamol? Steroids? Why do you have such a problem with modern medicine? Did you prefer it when we all died at 35?