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Nor me - I was gonna ask him to post the numbers....!

Lots of people live nowhere near to a tube or easy connection. Many women do not feel safe late at night on public transport and for good reason nor do they want to walk down poorly lit atreets from the bus stop to their home. At rush hour you'll be lucky to get a seat and lucky if you don't go through a can of deoderant in the tube in summer - and that's just getting to work. If someone can park at work and it takes them half the time to get there by car and it costs them less than public transport and they arrive feeling and smelling clean and refreshed, then public transport is a poor choice. People will always need cars some of the time and there are plenty of those who have to have a car or van for their work. It's completely folly to think we can ever have a totally car free world. If the concern is an environmental one then consider this. Most buses run on diesel for a start, nowhere near as clean as petrol. Electric buses are burning fosil fuel elsewhere to create the electricity to charge their batteries and burning just as much fuel to do that as they would have put in their engine. If you use a bus you use a vehicle - that's no different than using a car, or any other vehicle. A bus needs far more petrol to drag it's galvanized hulk along than a car and outside of rush hour most of them are half empty. Obviously the only solution is the bicycle but I'd never be so daft as suggest we all get on a bike.......try seeing what any bus does when you are a cyclist for a start........ The answer is a properly integrated road/ transport system with correctly phased lights and the right road safety measures and planning for ALL of it's users. Plenty of cities in Europe manage to do it - but we are too busy arguing the toss of 'my transport choice is more righteous than yours' to see the bigger picture as usual. Now has anyone got a gas guzzler they wanna sell? >:D<

It really annoys me when non-driving commuters assume we can all abandon our cars. The fact is that it is cheaper and quicker for me to go to some places in my car - not to mention safer depending on the location and time of day. Oh and then there are the other times when I need my car to transport things for work, or just for my home. Usually when I go into town for leisure I cycle but can think of a ton of reasons why people DO need to drive their car into town. Let's just accept that we need all kinds of transport on our roads to work together and great big huge buses hurtling down narrow residential roads are not the total answer.

I think they are ok for passengers but a daft idea in a city where the streets are so narrow and congested.... and yes only a matter of time before buses turning in small roads damage other vehicles. We should really be using lots of smaller 'hopper' buses on those routes, like some other cities in the world do.

The driver was clearly wreckless and has paid for it with his life. Thank god he didn't take anyone elses. Terrible all round.

Reservoir Foxes ;-)

poppy-bees Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am attempting to make a cider press as we have > so many apples we don't know what to do with them > > I would be very interested to hear from anyone who > is in a similar situation with their apples / > anyone who's successfully brewed cider I want to have a go at cider too - it seems really easy to do. From what I have found out though you need to use some acidic apples in the mix - eating apples alone won't do. :)-D