Moondoox

do you know what's driving that? Are you suggesting that if we wait long enough the roads will just become safe? I certainly wouldn't take a young child on my route to work without the infrastructure in place now, and even then it's still a bit dicey in parts. I experience awful driver behaviour all the time. The fact that cycling is still considered an abnormal and dangerous way to get around is evidence of the fact that it's still not safe enough in a lot of places

@Rockets If the traffic on Underhill is caused by other interventions (which tbf I only know from this thread, so for now I'll assume it's the case), then frankly it's been worth it for me as the routes they open up are invaluable. I just don't think they go far enough. personally I'm not satisfied with the solution at the end of the day being no infrastructure at all. I'm glad that you were able to cycle before it was safe, but it sounded horrible and was a much less realistic option for most back then. I'm still curious as to how you think congestion is going to be reduced in London. @Spartacus this is a tiresome argument that comes up every time cycling is discussed anywhere, but I'll bite. You can still drive! If you need to get to Ryedale, or Court Lane, or any LTN, you just go the long way around. I don't understand why people act as if road closures make places completely inaccessible by car. Lots of people use the elderly and disabled as a cudgel against the mere notion that maybe too many people are driving. Need I mention all the disabled people who can't drive? And those among them who can and do cycle? @Ladharrbeinn court lane is a good cycle connection to Dulwich Park, Brockwell Park via Turney Road (and therefore Brixton, Oval etc), Champion Hill (and therefore Ruskin Park and Loughborough Junction). One closure makes for incredibly useful cycle infrastructure

They've also created lots of useful cycle routes that I travel on frequently, with Dulwich Village being a good example. I'm interested to hear what you think these are. Wher London gets cycle infra right, it's a joy to use. Amsterdam used to be extremely congested as well. What's to be done about congestion, in your opinion?

yes, because the interventions make it easier and safer to cycle. I was hoping for a closure on Underhill Road but this is a start, and I'm keen to see if it's any good or not. as far as I'm concerned, the road being quieter and less polluted is secondary. traffic management will always be a zero sum game until there's less traffic, and interventions provide both a means to cycle and a reason not to drive. my main qualm with this one is that it doesn't connect to much.

@Ladharrbeinn as someone who lives on a road made busier by traffic interventions, I say thank god there are places like Court Lane where I can cycle safely. Dulwich Square is invaluable as a means to cycle to the big Sainsbury's and access routes towards Herne Hill and Brixton, for instance. causing more rat running or just rerouting the rats? If bus services aren't going to significantly improve, I don't see any other means to reduce car usage than cycling, and nobody except lunatics like me will ever cycle until it's safe to do so. That means segregated infrastructure on major roads, and/or road closures on residential streets.

Quite looking forward to the trial, as someone who cycles and lives on Ryedale. Frankly I think Underhill needs a bus gate or something radical. People on this forum rage at the idea of having to get out of their cars, but what's the alternative? Rat running down residential streets forever?