mastershake

>>North Dulwich is the closest station to the private schools and nurseries in dulwich, and you don't see a high demand for parking there..

Because it has a CPZ surrounding it

they drive there because a) it's the nearest station to the private schools and nurseries in East Dulwich, thus easier pickups etc, b) they're lazy, c) it's in zone 2 and you can park for free near it

and before we get the standard 'nobody actually does this' East Dulwich Forum thing going, people genuinely do park near the station every morning, i see them doing it on my way in.

Get yourself over in the Ruskin Park direction where the day after the introduction of the CPZ there (2009: 12-2pm restrictions) all the commuter traffic shifted over into Southwark, e.g. Red Post Hill and further towards Herne Hill Station on the Lambeth side.

indicating that this supposedly mythical commuter traffic does, actually, exist...

parking is often more difficult at night

I've never seen this said. it's certainly not the case for me (just outside the proposed zone to the south).

If Lambeth had consulted to REMOVE it, I would bet (complete guess, don't jump on me) that near 100% would have said yes. But they didn't ever ask that, funnily enough.

This might have been the case where you live, but it's not always the case. see for example the fairly big CPZ around king's college hospital, for instance.

on the 'Derwent and numbers of people' issue - one of the main reasons parking is so stretched around these areas is actually East Dulwich Grove, which has very little parking and lots of flats. I'd wager around 40% of the parking on my road is actually people who live on EDG. Just another factor in why volumes are so high, and why it's very often impossible to park less than 10 minutes' walk from my front door (ie it's much quicker to, for example, get to LL or the station). I don't actually mind not being able to park on my road - but that is ridiculous. and just to reiterate, more often than not in the daytime it is the case.

It's too small to stop any commuter parking

I'd agree with this. but just to reiterate what I've said a few times on here, there is a problem with commuter parking. just because it doesn't sem to make much logical sense in terms of economics, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. the same people park on my street, and walk to the station, pretty much every day.

"He said one in four overall wanted it, that still means three quarters didn?t, and in a democracy that means it shouldn?t happen, surely? "

no matter how badly the councillor answered, it's a really stupid question and is not how democracy works.

well the situation in HH is pretty instructive - residents requested a CPZ and it was implemented as HH was overrun with commuters parking their cars. notwithstanding that a lot of houses in HH have ofstreet parking, there was a problem and the council tried to solve it.

they didn't get it right at first by having it running all day - so now it only runs for 2 hours. meaning businesses aren't really hit all that much, and meaning commuters are stopped from clogging up the roads.

yes, a few people are likely to still oppose it. but it is working pretty well.

just as a note, to counter yet another poor quality attempt by soemone to rubbish the idea that commuters clog up the streets near east dulwich - it's not a matter of economics but of convenience. If you live, say, near Dulwich L:ibrary and need to get to the station, and you have a car, it's a no-brainer - hop in, park near the station, saving yourself a 20 minute walk / crowded bus ride. plus you might be able to drop the kids at school on the way.

ok so now we get 'this is a blunt tool for a compelx situation'. but as yet i see absolutely no suggestions as to what can be done about parking when 9 times out of 10 in the daytime i have to park at least 10 minutes' walk from my own house, purely so people can park near the station for their commute.

and...

Maybe Mastershake, there isn't an answer......

Maybe living in a densly populated area area 4 miles from central london, you shouldn't expect the right to park directly outside your home. I often can't, so I have the same issues as you, and I'm outside the proposed scheme.

I accept it as part of city life.

i don't expect the right to park outside my house. I dno't think many who support a cpz do either. what i do expect is to be able to park my car somewhere vaguely near my house. and as it stands, this is incredibly rare on weekdays.

What we all know WILL happen is that my situation is going to get much worse if this scheme goes ahead, along with 1000's of other people around the fringes. The only solution to THAT problem will be to create another CPZ,and then repeat until we join the edge of the one proposed in North Dulwich and SE LOndon is one big CPZ......i promise that you won't be as bothered about whether you have to walk 100m to your house then

sorry, but i don't fine the '100m' thing helpful in terms of tone. I regularly have to park a lot further than 100m away. others in the same area don't seem to have this problem, but I'd wager that's because they by and large don't drive in the daytime.

I lived in herne hill before this. a cpz was imposed which only chatged for parking 12-2. local businesses weren't hit, commuter parking stopped being a problem (it was a serious problem before), and people were fairly happy with it as far as i can tell. I'm sure many of you have had bad experiences with a CPZ in the past. but there's a reason people support them and it's because they will make the status quo better for those worst affected; and yes, the CPZ might get slightly larger (it's really very small as it stands, around 5 minutes' walk to the station, not enough to deter commuters) but this will, again, help wiuth the problem of commuter parking.

As the above post comments - suit plus car shortly after 7am = commuter. What about the teachers at Goose Green school, for example?

Except for the fact that they were not walking in the direction of the school, but were clearly walking in the direction of the station, that point works.

There seems to be no concept of non-residents have a valid community reason to park.

I've never said that and i don't think many in favour of the CPZ have either. What a 10-12 exclusion would do is stop people leaving cars all dat for the station - as the facts, and as the experience of many, on here suggest, it is this commuter traffic that pushes things so they're unmanageable. Without commuter cars - and there are a lot of them - there would be enough space for both people shopping on LL, community workers, and residents and visitors.

So in response to I don't know why people drive to ED station - the chances are very few do.

but it's not 'very few'. It's more or less exactly enough to make parking anywhere near one's house a nightmare for people who live near the station.

and - just to reiterate - it does happen! i see it happening every single bloody day.

all those saying 'there might be a problem but a CPZ isn't the answer' - well then - what is?

just on the topic of those who disbelieve that commuter traffic is a problem. I live in a road immediately adjacent to the current proposed CPZ. This morning at 7am there were 5 spaces on our road. Just coming and going, I noticed that all were taken in the subsequent hour. Of these, 4 were taken by people dressed in suits, who proceeded to walk in the direction of the station; one person seemed to be walking, dressed for work, in the direction of the hospital.

Now there are no spaces on the road at all.

the roads near the station are dsensely-populated, and some of them provide parking for people who live on (for example) East Dulwich Grove which is largely comprised of flats near the station. As such, places are at a premium at the best of times, and these (relatively few) commuters tip things over the edge into unmanageable - if we take our car out in the daytime we usually have to park at least 10 minutes' walk away. any spaces left by commuters are taken up by hosptial traffic.

I have no idea why people drive to park near east dulwich station - maybe they're lazy, maybe they're trying to save on rail fares, maybe it's close to their children's school - but they do it and it is a problem.

and those who say 'you knew parking was difficult when you moved in' - we moved in two years ago and there wasn't really a problem then. it's got worse, and it is the commuter traffic that makes all the difference. a 10-12 charge time will solve the problem as it did in herne hill, where i lived before.

i just had my parents to visit, to the corner of melbourne grove/ashbourne area mentioned above.

the nearest parking space was 10 minutes' walk away. surely this is a problem?

I'd agree the problem is mainly commuters (so incredibly annoying!) and people parking for the hospital - it's not really the LL shops as wekend parking is never, ever a problem.

But it is a real problem in the week. I've regularly had to park over 10 minutes' walk from my house, and with shopping that really is a pain.

yes - two fairly young guys. going round in the day though.

yesterday evening I got a woman telling me she was from lovefilm as well...

today i've had people knock on my door three times asking for money for the Woodland Trust - two blokes, one of them trying twice.

Is this kind of fundraising legal - and even if it is, what the hell are they doing trying the same house three times in one day?

the only dulwich tandoori i've had was dreadful.

indian dining club are great for deliveries.

I had the property under offer pretty quickly. However the valuer valued it lower at ?305,000 based on a lack of comparable stock and the fact another 3 bed in the same road and of very similar quality sold in October 2010 at you guessed it, ?305,000. That means the worst offending agent valued at 11% too high. It wouldn't have sold in a million years wither it was Foxtons or Harrods selling!

by all accounts this is true of the house I currently live in - it was on the market for about a year at 100k over what it eventually sold for...

i don't think it's necessarily the 'being further away from brixton' thing. Herne Hill itself seemed to deteriorate in terms of crime and antisocial behaviour in 2009 and doesn't seem to have got better. not sure what the reason is for that, but still.

i also agree about HH not having a proper 'heart' or centre. I guess it's really just a little place stuck between various bigger ones.

getting to PR station is a pain in the backside given Rye Lane is on/off closed

are you not near any other stations?

i live 2 roads away from the station, and in the recent past I've had to park near the police station.

the issue of parking in East Dulwich has got worse and worse. i understand that many residents will be opposed - but they're also likely to be the ones who aren't affected in this way.

am totally in favour of sunday opening.

also the parking problems could be solved if residents permits were introduced. would also solve the problems of parking near our houses for us dwellers in roads near the station...

the extent of the HH one seemed fairly arbitrary, but on reflection it extended to about 10 minutes' walk to the station.

I'm not sure it was the key to the future of the world, as the roads just outside it were always fairy busy, but still.