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the guy in GK barbers reckons Il Mirto are taking it over

>>North Dulwich is the closest station to the private schools and nurseries in dulwich, and you don't see a high demand for parking there.. Because it has a CPZ surrounding it

alleyns and jags

they drive there because a) it's the nearest station to the private schools and nurseries in East Dulwich, thus easier pickups etc, b) they're lazy, c) it's in zone 2 and you can park for free near it and before we get the standard 'nobody actually does this' East Dulwich Forum thing going, people genuinely do park near the station every morning, i see them doing it on my way in.

indicating that this supposedly mythical commuter traffic does, actually, exist...

I've never seen this said. it's certainly not the case for me (just outside the proposed zone to the south). This might have been the case where you live, but it's not always the case. see for example the fairly big CPZ around king's college hospital, for instance. on the 'Derwent and numbers of people' issue - one of the main reasons parking is so stretched around these areas is actually East Dulwich Grove, which has very little parking and lots of flats. I'd wager around 40% of the parking on my road is actually people who live on EDG. Just another factor in why volumes are so high, and why it's very often impossible to park less than 10 minutes' walk from my front door (ie it's much quicker to, for example, get to LL or the station). I don't actually mind not being able to park on my road - but that is ridiculous. and just to reiterate, more often than not in the daytime it is the case. I'd agree with this. but just to reiterate what I've said a few times on here, there is a problem with commuter parking. just because it doesn't sem to make much logical sense in terms of economics, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. the same people park on my street, and walk to the station, pretty much every day. no matter how badly the councillor answered, it's a really stupid question and is not how democracy works.

well the situation in HH is pretty instructive - residents requested a CPZ and it was implemented as HH was overrun with commuters parking their cars. notwithstanding that a lot of houses in HH have ofstreet parking, there was a problem and the council tried to solve it. they didn't get it right at first by having it running all day - so now it only runs for 2 hours. meaning businesses aren't really hit all that much, and meaning commuters are stopped from clogging up the roads. yes, a few people are likely to still oppose it. but it is working pretty well. just as a note, to counter yet another poor quality attempt by soemone to rubbish the idea that commuters clog up the streets near east dulwich - it's not a matter of economics but of convenience. If you live, say, near Dulwich L:ibrary and need to get to the station, and you have a car, it's a no-brainer - hop in, park near the station, saving yourself a 20 minute walk / crowded bus ride. plus you might be able to drop the kids at school on the way.

i think it is quite obvious by now that people who oppose the CPZ seem to think that he who shouts loudest on teh internets = always in the right.

ok so now we get 'this is a blunt tool for a compelx situation'. but as yet i see absolutely no suggestions as to what can be done about parking when 9 times out of 10 in the daytime i have to park at least 10 minutes' walk from my own house, purely so people can park near the station for their commute. and... i don't expect the right to park outside my house. I dno't think many who support a cpz do either. what i do expect is to be able to park my car somewhere vaguely near my house. and as it stands, this is incredibly rare on weekdays. sorry, but i don't fine the '100m' thing helpful in terms of tone. I regularly have to park a lot further than 100m away. others in the same area don't seem to have this problem, but I'd wager that's because they by and large don't drive in the daytime. I lived in herne hill before this. a cpz was imposed which only chatged for parking 12-2. local businesses weren't hit, commuter parking stopped being a problem (it was a serious problem before), and people were fairly happy with it as far as i can tell. I'm sure many of you have had bad experiences with a CPZ in the past. but there's a reason people support them and it's because they will make the status quo better for those worst affected; and yes, the CPZ might get slightly larger (it's really very small as it stands, around 5 minutes' walk to the station, not enough to deter commuters) but this will, again, help wiuth the problem of commuter parking.

Except for the fact that they were not walking in the direction of the school, but were clearly walking in the direction of the station, that point works. I've never said that and i don't think many in favour of the CPZ have either. What a 10-12 exclusion would do is stop people leaving cars all dat for the station - as the facts, and as the experience of many, on here suggest, it is this commuter traffic that pushes things so they're unmanageable. Without commuter cars - and there are a lot of them - there would be enough space for both people shopping on LL, community workers, and residents and visitors. but it's not 'very few'. It's more or less exactly enough to make parking anywhere near one's house a nightmare for people who live near the station. and - just to reiterate - it does happen! i see it happening every single bloody day. all those saying 'there might be a problem but a CPZ isn't the answer' - well then - what is?

just on the topic of those who disbelieve that commuter traffic is a problem. I live in a road immediately adjacent to the current proposed CPZ. This morning at 7am there were 5 spaces on our road. Just coming and going, I noticed that all were taken in the subsequent hour. Of these, 4 were taken by people dressed in suits, who proceeded to walk in the direction of the station; one person seemed to be walking, dressed for work, in the direction of the hospital. Now there are no spaces on the road at all. the roads near the station are dsensely-populated, and some of them provide parking for people who live on (for example) East Dulwich Grove which is largely comprised of flats near the station. As such, places are at a premium at the best of times, and these (relatively few) commuters tip things over the edge into unmanageable - if we take our car out in the daytime we usually have to park at least 10 minutes' walk away. any spaces left by commuters are taken up by hosptial traffic. I have no idea why people drive to park near east dulwich station - maybe they're lazy, maybe they're trying to save on rail fares, maybe it's close to their children's school - but they do it and it is a problem. and those who say 'you knew parking was difficult when you moved in' - we moved in two years ago and there wasn't really a problem then. it's got worse, and it is the commuter traffic that makes all the difference. a 10-12 charge time will solve the problem as it did in herne hill, where i lived before.

i just had my parents to visit, to the corner of melbourne grove/ashbourne area mentioned above. the nearest parking space was 10 minutes' walk away. surely this is a problem?

I'd agree the problem is mainly commuters (so incredibly annoying!) and people parking for the hospital - it's not really the LL shops as wekend parking is never, ever a problem. But it is a real problem in the week. I've regularly had to park over 10 minutes' walk from my house, and with shopping that really is a pain.

yes - two fairly young guys. going round in the day though. yesterday evening I got a woman telling me she was from lovefilm as well...

today i've had people knock on my door three times asking for money for the Woodland Trust - two blokes, one of them trying twice. Is this kind of fundraising legal - and even if it is, what the hell are they doing trying the same house three times in one day?