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From 2009 onwards, motoring on minor roads in London almost doubled from 5.5bn vehicle miles to nearly 9.5bn in 2019. Traffic on main roads remained relatively stable in the same period. Navigation apps such as Waze have caused huge displacement on to side streets. Where?s the outrage over this, significant ?displacement?.

So we should allocate as much space as possible to cars, across as broad an area as possible. No attempt to create quieter routes. The huge growth of traffic on minor roads over the last few years caused by navigation apps must continue. With luck we can ensure every road is equally congested as that?s ?fairer? for everyone. People who have no option but to walk and cycle because they don?t own a car should get one (even if they can?t afford one), and stop ?virtue signalling?. All the research suggest that making driving easier increases the amount of driving. Literally all of it. But until it?s definitive we?ll pick holes in individual studies or data sets, and ignore the emerging picture across a growing body of evidence. Yup, let?s go with the view that making driving as convenient as possible (and walking and cycling less pleasant and / or safe) will reduce car use. There?s no evidence at all for that but, it?s obvious isn?t it?

But let's ignore the growing body of evidence on LTNs. My other points remain: No one has been stopped from driving a car to any destination. But there are now a handful of routes around the area that aren?t quite so dominated by heavy vehicles, which is good for the many people who don?t own a car and need to walk or cycle. Having the options that a (pretty minor) reallocation of space provides, benefits all sorts of people, whether they are older, younger, male or female. Not everyone owns a car. No one is judging people who drive. Many people have to, or simply want to drive. But that doesn?t mean that cars should always have priority, or that we should allocate as much space as possible to motor vehicles to the detriment of anyone else

They?re based on traffic counts. I agree that not everyone likes what the counts show.

Traffic is down 10% (on average -16,201 per day) in the Dulwich area overall. Cycling is up 66% (on average an additional +4062 journeys per day) in the Dulwich area overall. There has been a shift, in particular, of children walking, scooting and biking to school. No one has been stopped from driving a car to any destination. But there are now a handful of routes around the area that aren?t quite so dominated by heavy vehicles, which is good for the many people who don?t own a car and need to walk or cycle. Having the options that a (pretty minor) reallocation of space provides, benefits all sorts of people, whether they are older, younger, male or female. Not everyone owns a car. No one is judging people who drive. Many people have to, or simply want to drive. But that doesn?t mean that cars should always have priority, or that we should allocate as much space as possible to motor vehicles to the detriment of anyone else.

London?s Low Traffic Neighbourhoods: An Emerging Evidence Base: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d30896202a18c0001b49180/t/60003fabf3791928a02b707f/1610629036655/LTN+Briefing_FINAL.pdf

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This should have burned itself out by now - why not?? Presumably, people are still buying more fuel than they need 🤷

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But don't other areas of Southwark already have > LTNS in one for or other? Yes, they are many across Southwark and London

legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This was in my mail today (along with the DA > thing). I?ll say it again - it?s the deliveries we > need to focus on. There was someone on Sky this > morning reflecting on how many HGV drivers have > switched to more local Amazon, supermarket, > gourmet food box type jobs. The increase in traffic on minor roads is largely down to Google maps and Waze etc. Of course, there is silence on the significant displacement this caused away from main roads onto back streets over several years. Re. delivery vans. - one vehicle delivering groceries to 10 houses, rather than 10 individual cars driving back and forth to the shops, is likely to cause a lot less congestion. I'm not sure why we can't accept the idea that traffic is caused by too many (often single occupancy) cars driving around. 'Rat-running' increases on residential UK streets as experts blame satnav apps https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/rat-running-residential-uk-streets-satnav-apps

I agree that public transport in the area is not great by London standards. Absolutely agree with that. That does not mean that a large number of local car journeys could not be avoided. One look at a line of single occupancy vehicles, all travelling in the same direction at the same time, many making journey's of less than 2 miles, tells you that. The 'fix public transport before you do anything else' argument, is a manifesto for in action. I will very happily support campaigns for improvements to public transport, but one can do that whilst also campaigning for safe walking and cycling routes and schemes to discourage casual car use.

ab29 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So wanting to ban cars is too much and over the > top but wanting to close roads which causes other > streets to be more congested and polluted is fine- > yeah. > > Typical: I will not give up anything for the cause > but happy to sacrifice others' health and well > being. Yes, I think banning cars is over the top. I would like to see us take reasonable measures to reduce car use, and encourage more active travel - but there will always be times that people need to either drive or be driven. You're in favour of banning cars?

It's easy to say 'we should concentrate on improving public transport before we do anything else', because no one is against better public transport, you can avoid any difficult decisions, and it kicks the can down the road indefinitely. Heartblock says he's not against banning cars when public transport is improved. By how much exactly? Do you really think that the idea of getting to say PTAL 4, and then banning cars is a serious suggestion?

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rahx3 - stop this nonsense about good transport > links - you know that is not true. I pointed out that we don?t have one of the worst PTALs in London. Another assertion by the scientifically rigorous contributor who denies the existence of peer reviewed research by other academics. The PTAL for most of Dulwich is rated ?moderate? (by London standards, which are generally high). I would love to see improvements. But how good does local transport have to be before you attempt to reduce car use? Around 40% of car journeys in London are under 2 miles as we know. It?s an absolute cop out to say, we shouldn?t tackle casual car use until we have , what? A PTAL of 4, 5? Heartblock is talking of banning cars entirely when PTAL improves.. improves to what?! Would you support that? It?s absolute nonsense.

Also, we don?t have ?one of the worst PTALs in London?. We score a 3, which is ?moderate?. And compared with almost anywhere outside of London, is unimaginably good.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No evidence whatsoever that LTNs reduce car > use...none. I know you keep saying this, but it?s not true. >PTAL for DV and ED one of the worse in > London. > Next? And even so, public transport is still better here than probably 90% of the country. We have three train stations in Dulwich, and several on its borders. We have regular buses and electric hire bikes and scooters for ?last mile journeys. From Central London you can connect to several international airports and almost every corner of the country by train. It?s not perfect, but it?s not bad. At what point would it be good enough that you would consider it legitimate to start discouraging car use? As for your support for banning cars- are you serious about this? It?s a bit all or nothing no?

According to the latest YouGov poll, only 18% think Brexit is going well.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't have any issue with banning cars - if > there is a decent public service and no closed > roads - the problem is that LTNs DO NOT reduce car > use...or pollution. You keep saying that LTNs don't reduce car use, but all the available evidence suggests that they do. We have very good public transport compared to 90% of the country - several train stations, lot's of buses, electric hire bikes, and thanks to the introduction of a small number of LTNS, even a few, relatively quiet walking and cycling routes.

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Great, unless you (not YOU, Rahx3) leave them > prone on teh pavement, ready for anyone to trip > over and break leg/neck, etc. Yeh, in some boroughs they?ve created specific ?hire bike? bays on the road, which prevents this. I guess the density doesn?t make that viable / proportionate here. Haven?t noticed it being too much of an issue locally though. You do need to take a photo of where you?ve left it when your ride is up and there are supposedly fines if you don?t park them in a suitable place, but not sure how far this is enforced in reality.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yikes - sounds pretty serious and potentially > criminal if there was dishonest intent in "failing > to declare" the ?25 million. Yeah, sounds extremely dodgy

Wanted to big up the Lime hire bikes which have recently extended their reach to ED. If you haven?t already tried them, they?re great for short journeys to the station, or Brixton tube. Really fun and the electric motor makes easy work of any hills. Much quicker than the bus. Unfortunately Herne Hill is outside the zone, but hopefully will be bought inside of it soon.

Sunlit uplands:

Southeastern have been stripped of their franchise and Helen Hayes is calling for the government to hand suburban rail services in south east London over to TfL. Personally, I think this would be a giant leap forward. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58716625

I blame Meghan!

scarlettbanks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Had an incredible dinner at newish restaurant Omni > (near the bottom of Rye Lane). All vegan (which I > am not) - incredible flavours, some quite unusual > - the corn ribs with cashew cream for example were > amazing. Has good sandwiches at lunchtime too. Their sandwiches are great. Didn't realise they did dinner - will check it out.