Earl Aelfheah

I'm up for London declaring independence, so guess we ought to have a flag. Should probably be red (the colour of buses, old school phone boxes and letter boxes etc... seems like a good London colour. Perhaps with a picture of a pint on it. Keep things simple.

Dulwich is a Hamlet, not a village ;-)

Yep, a small number of idiots blocking the right turn for cyclists with their bags and placards. ?Open the roads? they say, whilst obstructing their use for the many families passing through. 🤦‍♂️

Just having a quick look at that ?report? by One Dulwich and it?s pretty clear that they?re straining every sinue to discredit data that they complain they haven?t even seen. I wouldn?t be surprised if the Council data is a bit iffy to be honest. But I would also put money on it being more reliable than anything from One Dulwich (who?s even in their best efforts to undermine the claim of an increase in active travel, conclude there has been an 8% increase in cycling). If LTNs don?t reduce car use or increase active travel, why do even their most vocal opponents only find evidence that they do?

So as I say. People who don?t want restrictions on car movements, will rubbish any and all data (and it does all point in the same direction) without offering any counter evidence.

It?s not just anecdote. Southwark have published data. Lambeth have just published more, follow up data on their LTNs. Many other boroughs have too. There is a body of research and a number of papers in peer reviewed journals which look at the impacts of LTNs. They all show the same thing - that by restricting car movements, you generally reduce car use and increase active travel. It is all rubbished of course. No counter evidence offered. Some have even argued on this thread that we shouldn?t look or ask for such evidence. So what you going to do? When you have people saying that they?ll strongly oppose anything that makes driving more difficult, I find it very hard to believe that any amount of data will make the slightest difference.

There?s also a new cafe by the entrance to Belair Park

Lowlander Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/environment/p > ollution-and-air-quality/mayors-ultra-low-emission > -zone-london > > "You will not be charged for a non-compliant > vehicle parked in the zone on days you don?t drive > it." Thanks for pointing this out Lowlander, I hadn?t realised that was how it works.

Can?t think of any local issues that people have strong feelings about, but thanks for posting 😉

Follow the links and tell me where there is TFL data showing a decrease in cycling across London. It appears to be DfT data for England, and I cannot see where the particular graphs are from. If the TfL data exists, then I?m genuinely interested in seeing it.

?The idea that I am not interested in any data that doesn?t conform to a particular view, because I have asked to see exactly that data, is kind of absurd.

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah before you troll anyone else with your > never-ending and ludicrous demands for more > sources and more evidence, will just come clean > and admit that there no data whatsover could ever > be published by anybodywhatsoever that would > convince you that the LTNs in Duliwch are a > failure. > > At least if you were honest about that you would > save yourself and everyone else you harangue an > awful lot of time. Any data would be good. I?m not trolling anyone. I don?t think it?s unreasonable if someone says ?TfL data shows?? to ask where that data is published.

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We need more public transport.It is simple. > instead of TfL fiddling about on roads for > cyclists now that they have done their worst could > they please turn their attention to area-linking > buses and to car sharing journeys, more school > buses and get the trains back to normal. We need better public transport, more car sharing, and more safe space for walking and cycling.

@heartblock - thanks for providing some Twitter links. But the screenshot which has been posted isn't Tfl data (unless I'm missing something?) and doesn't seem to relate to London. When I go to the web address that is given as the source, I can't find it. Any chance you can point to the Tfl data you referred to?

Making it more difficult to trade with our neighbours is so obviously a bad idea economically. Making it more difficult for people to travel, live and work in other countries is so obviously a bad idea culturally. It's such a sad, insular little project.

ab29 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "LTNs discourage car use" - how? by making it less convenient to drive.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh and TFL has also published data that cycle use > has dropped back across London to almost > pre-lockdown levels...I imagine quite a few > bicycles on gumtree soon, not my little two > wheeled horse though, she travels pre/post > lockdowns and pandemics, but doesn?t like rain > 😜 Any link to this data? And any evidence that making driving easier, reduces car journeys? There is lot's showing the opposite. I know you've said previously that it's best not to respond to requests for evidence or to questions from others, but this is a discussion forum, so perhaps you'll reconsider? Re. walking, if people decide not to make a journey in their car, many will walk it instead. LTNs discourage car use, particularly for short local trips.

@oimissus - You're right that it's the interim report from April. There will be an updated version with more recent data published as I understand it. Whilst it's possible it will show something different, it seems unlikely that making driving around the local area more difficult, would increase the number of people using their cars. Similarly with cycling - more people tend to use their bikes, when there are quite streets they can choose. I know it's anecdotal, but you can see a lot more kids cycling through the LTNs, where they're not having to mix with so many cars, vans and lorries. All the research on this (and common sense) suggests that making car journeys more convenient, increases car use rather than reduces it and vice versa.

The LTNs have reduced car usage and increased active travel. But it's not perfect. So rather than improve it, we should scrap the whole thing and negotiate a new (unspecified) deal with the exact same benefits. Oh and this better scheme which will be agreed with everyone, will reduce car use without make driving more difficult.

The data shows: The volume of motor traffic counted on internal streets had decreased by -31% around Dulwich Village, and -79% in East Dulwich. The volume of motor traffic counted on external streets had decreased by -11% around Dulwich Village and ?3% around Champion Hill, but increased by +2% around East Dulwich. The volume of cycles on internal streets had increased by +103% around Dulwich Village, and +29% in East Dulwich and +19% on Champion Hill. The volume of cycles on external streets had also increased by between +43% to +70%. The overall volume of motor traffic recorded across all streets has decreased by -16% Data from Vivacity Sensors shows increases in the number of cycles counted of +126%, +48% +86%, +69% and +292% on Calton Avenue, Townley Road, Burbage Road, Melbourne Grove and Champion Hill respectively.

I feel sorry for Wetherspoons staff, but as far as Tim Martin personally - there is an undeniable poetic justice if true.

See reports on Twitter (so probably not actually true, but still...), that Wetherspoons is running out of staff and beer due to Brexit.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > and don't we have more barriers on inward goods > still to come later this year and start of next? Yep, it's barely started. We're going to see some serious inflation, followed by increases in interest rates. That's when the mortgaged of Surrey will finally sit up and take notice. The problem is, how much of it will be put down to COVID, or 'EU intransigence'? My guess is, quite a lot. This government and it's client journalists are pretty good at deflection and brexit voters will go to almost any length to void admitting to themselves that they may have made a mistake.

Lol

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But regardless of only using the car twice a > month, aren?t you still going to have to pay a fee > for every day your car (if non-ULEZ compliant) is > parked in/enters the ULEZ zone ? That was my understanding.